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    • wrx7mW
      wrx7m @JasGot
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      @JasGot said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

      Had a customer call and ask us to come and setup 10 Sonos speakers for their office. They said they picked them up because their overhead system was static-ee.

      I assured them this was the wrong approach because commercial amps with 70v speakers don't just go bad all at once. It had to be FM reception.

      It was. But they really wanted the Sonos so they could stream music. I told them this was silly because they already had a beautful sound system in place. They just needed a new source.

      I installed a Nexum Tunebox2 https://www.nexum-design.com/tunebox2 for them and I have to say, it is truly sweet.

      Use any smart device or PC or MAC to tell it what to stream, and then you can disconnect and it will sing forever. Of course it'll do other things too. But set and forget was the goal.

      Just thought I'd share about this little box. $64 on amazon.

      So, the static was at the source equipment, not the speakers?
      Never mind. I re-read it.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch
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        This deployment as stated he is also most likely illegal. You are not allowed to simply stream whatever you want. The original FM re-broadcast was actually illegal. I am basing that on the fact that there are 10 speakers so most likely the size of the office is too large for the small business allowance

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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          @JaredBusch said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

          This deployment as stated he is also most likely illegal. You are not allowed to simply stream whatever you want. The original FM re-broadcast was actually illegal. I am basing that on the fact that there are 10 speakers so most likely the size of the office is too large for the small business allowance

          2,000 sq ft. in most cases.

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            JasGot @JasGot
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            @JasGot section 110(5) of the copyright act has an allowance for this office.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @JasGot
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              @JasGot said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

              110(5) of the copyright act

              The restaurant exemption of 3,750 sq ft?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/110

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                  JasGot @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller No. 2,000ft and 6 loudspeakers.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @JasGot
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                    @JasGot said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                    @scottalanmiller No. 2,000ft and 6 loudspeakers.

                    Oh okay, it's small then.

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                      @JasGot Thanks, good to know!

                      Another option might also be to use a Raspberry Pi.
                      I was looking at RuneAudio which has a slick web interface - so no apps needed.

                      I haven't gotten around to it yet, but it's on my todo list.

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                        BrownLuther007
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                        Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

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                          JasGot @BrownLuther007
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                          @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                          Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                          It is based on square footage. You'll have to investigate to be sure.
                          Streaming is included in "Radio or television broadcast' in this case.

                          There are two “small business exceptions” that allow certain small businesses to play radio or television broadcasts in their establishments without having to pay any additional licensing fees.  The exceptions apply to:
                          
                          1. Any establishment with less than 2,000 gross square feet, and any food service or drinking establishment with less than 3,750 square feet.
                          
                          2. Any business establishment with greater than 2,000 square feet, and any food service or drinking establishment with greater than 3,750 square feet provided that they use fewer than 6 speakers or TVs, no more of 4 of which are any one room, and with a screen size of less than 55 inches.
                          
                          To qualify for these exceptions, the business owner must not charge an admission fee nor play any other music other than terrestrial radio and TV.
                          
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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @BrownLuther007
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                            @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                            Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                            You can subscribe to services for this also.

                            Moodmedia used to be or bought good old Muzak.

                            https://us.moodmedia.com/sound/harmony-music-for-business/

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                              notverypunny @BrownLuther007
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                              @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                              Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                              Jurisdiction is probably going to come into play here... you've got some kind of link referencing India as a comma in the question so ???? .....

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                                JasGot @notverypunny
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                                @notverypunny said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                                Jurisdiction is probably going to come into play here... you've got some kind of link referencing India as a comma in the question so ???? .....

                                Huh?

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                                • notverypunnyN
                                  notverypunny @JasGot
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                                  @JasGot said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                  @notverypunny said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                  @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                  Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                                  Jurisdiction is probably going to come into play here... you've got some kind of link referencing India as a comma in the question so ???? .....

                                  Huh?

                                  What's legal, especially with regards to copyright varies from country to country. The question, for whatever reason has a link to https://beebom.com/best-music-streaming-service-india/ against a comma. Not sure if it's intentional but since it's there, it bears clarification at the very least, no?

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                                    JasGot @notverypunny
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                                    @notverypunny said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                    The question, for whatever reason has a link to https://beebom.com/best-music-streaming-service-india/ against a comma.

                                    I didn't see that! Now I see what you are talking about. Good catch.

                                    New member, and this is only his 3rd post. This makes the link more suspicious. I hope it was simply a cut and paste error and not an attempt to spam the forum.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @BrownLuther007
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                                      @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                      Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                                      Totally depends on the service. Generally, however, the answer is "no". But there are definitely streaming services that license for that.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @JasGot
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                                        @JasGot said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                        @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                        Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                                        It is based on square footage. You'll have to investigate to be sure.
                                        Streaming is included in "Radio or television broadcast' in this case.

                                        There are two “small business exceptions” that allow certain small businesses to play radio or television broadcasts in their establishments without having to pay any additional licensing fees.  The exceptions apply to:
                                        
                                        1. Any establishment with less than 2,000 gross square feet, and any food service or drinking establishment with less than 3,750 square feet.
                                        
                                        2. Any business establishment with greater than 2,000 square feet, and any food service or drinking establishment with greater than 3,750 square feet provided that they use fewer than 6 speakers or TVs, no more of 4 of which are any one room, and with a screen size of less than 55 inches.
                                        
                                        To qualify for these exceptions, the business owner must not charge an admission fee nor play any other music other than terrestrial radio and TV.
                                        

                                        that's broadcast, doesn't apply to streaming.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                          @BrownLuther007 said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                          Is it legal to stream music, anywhere in the office. Or large scale companies?

                                          You can subscribe to services for this also.

                                          Moodmedia used to be or bought good old Muzak.

                                          https://us.moodmedia.com/sound/harmony-music-for-business/

                                          I think Epidemic does similar. They own their own catalog so have a lot of flexibility.

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                                            JasGot @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Streaming music for office (or anywhere):

                                            that's broadcast, doesn't apply to streaming.

                                            When looking at the copyright issues of broadcasting (playing over speakers or display devices) streaming content for public viewing/listening in your office or restaurant, streaming is considered the same as a television or radio broadcast . So the copyright laws regarding playing TV or radio in your office also apply to streaming content.

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