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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
if you want to know abount ZFS here is 2 youtube videos from the creators of ZFS
I got to work with the ZFS team on the original SAM-SD. Back in 2007 when ZFS was still pretty new.
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Yeah I have read a lot about Zfs, it has some nice features. Ok yeah I didn't even know what Nexenta was. I don't need a gui. Thanks!
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@jkaspersen Thanks for the info. Zfs is certainly a nice file system. I will look more into Nexenta, I have heard the name a long time but never checked out what they do.
While installing Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, if you choose to use ZFS has your file system, you'll have the ability to Revert your system and/or user data at the GRUB menu screen.
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
Yeah I have read a lot about Zfs, it has some nice features. Ok yeah I didn't even know what Nexenta was. I don't need a gui. Thanks!
that why i mentioned "https://www.illumos.org/ "...which today is more fully fledged than oracles version.. crossbow is also and extra(network stack) ... + the debugging too in illumos.... the debugging tool is though a steep learning curve...
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@black3dynamite yup already running it on my laptop... very nice... but i do like ditto blocks for meta data om my M2. SSD... so i have some kind of "resilience" on my laptop...
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
Yeah I have read a lot about Zfs, it has some nice features. Ok yeah I didn't even know what Nexenta was. I don't need a gui. Thanks!
that why i mentioned "https://www.illumos.org/ "...which today is more fully fledged than oracles version.. crossbow is also and extra(network stack) ... + the debugging too in illumos.... the debugging tool is though a steep learning curve...
Yeah, if you want the Solaris experience (which is quite good), this is the way I'd go.
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I wish someone did a really detailed performance breakdown of ZFS from Ubuntu, FreeBSD, and Illuminos. Would be super interesting.
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@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
and google Dtrace.... the most insane debugging tool ever...
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
Well not in general, Solaris is a dead animal. It was a great tool, and Illumos does a great job of keeping it available, but the Solaris path is a long dead one. You'll find no job opportunities because of it. There are way better places to spend your educational time today than researching "what once was."
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
and google Dtrace.... the most insane debugging tool ever...
I come from the world's largest Solaris shop, we had Dtrace before it released
I have the Dtrace book sitting on my shelf here, autographed, lol. -
@jmoore I have used FreeNAS several times and have implemented it at work. It’s rock solid and simple to use plus it has a huge support network
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@scottalanmiller said in Which Nas OS?:
world's largest Solaris shop, we had Dtrace
well luckey you then...
i dont know when i got knowledge of the old sun os... but i started with ZFS in 14. august 2009 16:25 to be exact. I only worked onece for a semi big company once (back in 1994) .. and that was Data General... ( the one with Aviion and Clariion storage).. but that is just "old tale and long gone company".. but i have been on them All DG/UX HP/UX, SUNos/ Solaris, EP/IX, AIX, SCO and even interactive... and SMOS Supermax operating system... they had hybrid system with both motorola and MIPS in same OS... only danish people can come up with stuff like that... ( i never understood why they did it , just making trouble for you self) -
@oliveryuan said in Which Nas OS?:
@jmoore I have used FreeNAS several times and have implemented it at work. It’s rock solid and simple to use plus it has a huge support network
We do support of it and see it lose data regularly. It's awesome only when everything works perfectly, the moment they release a bug or the hardware has an issue, it's flaky as can be. Rock solid and simple are exactly what it is not. It feels rock solid and feels simple during setup and until things fail... but everything is rock solid until it fails. The difference is, fixing Ubuntu or Fedora or Illumos or FreeBSD is easy and standard once something has failed. Experts abound to help you. When FreeNAS fails, it drops you into FreeBSD (but since you are using FreeNAS, the assumption is you aren't comfortable with BSD hence the purpose of FreeNAS on top of it since it adds no functionality) and leaves you on your own, but it's a more complicated FreeBSD system than standard because of the FreeNAS cruft layered on top.
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which Nas OS?:
world's largest Solaris shop, we had Dtrace
well luckey you then...
i dont know when i got knowledge of the old sun os... but i started with ZFS in 14. august 2009 16:25 to be exact. I only worked onece for a semi big company once (back in 1994) .. and that was Data General... ( the one with Aviion and Clariion storage).. but that is just "old tale and long gone company".. but i have been on them All DG/UX HP/UX, SUNos/ Solaris, EP/IX, AIX, SCO and even interactive... and SMOS Supermax operating system... they had hybrid system with both motorola and MIPS in same OS... only danish people can come up with stuff like that... ( i never understood why they did it , just making trouble for you self)I got started with ZFS during the pre-release of Thumper (the hardware it was originally designed for.) We were lucky, we were under NDA so got to use ZFS and Thumper before it was on the market. Very cool stuff. Thumper was the inspiration for both the SAM-Sd systems and things like BackBlaze pods - but obviously two very different directions from there.
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@scottalanmiller what about Synology?
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@krisleslie said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller what about Synology?
If you buy a Synology and use it that is fine. You don't install the Synology OS on your own gear.
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@JaredBusch that's true, but you know there is a niche small market of people running the open version of the Synology OS on intel equipment. I don't think I could do that for production, at home maybe for kicks and giggles. I will honestly say from a standpoint of deploying the Synology platform, it did "just work" after reading TFM. Never really have issues. The biggest issue I have is when your device is outdated, support will NOT be there to hold your hand. Mark my words!
I guess on one hand 10 years later I still see SAM's logic, you are introducing risk and potentially a single point of failure. Most people just buy 1 Nas (raised my hand) and while it's powerful in that I can add rsync and other goodies to it, there really the same apps I can get from a stripped down linux. At home I use the Turnkey File Server/NAS and honestly it works better than my Windows Server. It doesn't hog anything. Have been considering ditching the Windows file server completely at home.
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@JaredBusch so JB I picked up a break/fix client from my partner MSP and they had a Synology running (well not running since it was unplugged.....) and the first thing I did honestly after evaluating their environment for 2 servers well past EOL and 1-2bay Synology nas was ordered 3 new servers so 1 can be an app server the other 2 can handle backup properly. I told the client I would feel more comfortable in a modern, stable environment.
