HP Z440’s Bricked Hard
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@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.
lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?
if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.
Linux can suffer the same problems that Windows does - lack of driver support for the storage subsystem in the box. If the Live Linux distro you pick doesn't have the Z440 RAID driver in it, then it won't see the drive any more than Windows will.
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@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Pete-S So just to be clear, you recommend just downloading the C612 driver and loading that during OS install wizard?
Maybe, maybe not - if the C612 driver is the RAID driver, then yes, that's what you want to put on the USB stick (unzipped) and provide to Windows during install.
But if that's just a chipset driver, and the RAID is something else, you'll need to get the RAID driver itself, and put that on the USB stick.
@Dashrender I was thinking that might be the case. I'm just going to go with the bootable they gave me for now, but will look into adjusting fire for future endeavors.
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
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@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.
lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?
if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.
No, Pete was saying SOP was to use Linux bootable to wipe raid sigs and drive partitions. I'm just trying to learn which Linux distros are preferred as I'm new to the idea and the list of Linux disto's are lengthy.
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They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
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@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.
lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?
if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.
No, Pete was saying SOP was to use Linux bootable to wipe raid sigs and drive partitions. I'm just trying to learn which Linux distros are preferred as I'm new to the idea and the list of Linux disto's are lengthy.
Aww - Clonezilla isn't considered a Linux distro - it's really just a tool - one that happens to use Linux to boot the system (because the Clonezilla tool itself is not bootable).
think of it like this the calculator tool on Windows - the code for it on a USB stick is useless, it can't do anything, but, if you boot the system from Windows, then the code can run under windows. Clonezilla is the same.
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@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.
lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?
if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.
No, Pete was saying SOP was to use Linux bootable to wipe raid sigs and drive partitions. I'm just trying to learn which Linux distros are preferred as I'm new to the idea and the list of Linux disto's are lengthy.
Pete's SOP thing is about Live Linux distros - like Fedora Live, or Ubuntu Live. These are OSes that are configured in an ISO format (typically) that can be booted and run from CD/DVD/USB as if they were running from an HDD - only typically much slower.
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@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
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@JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.
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@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.
If their image was a simple clean OS, sure. But I bet it wasn’t.
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@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.
I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.
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Posted this regarding live booting: https://mangolassi.it/topic/21070/live-boot
Regarding adding a driver during Windows 10 install:
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@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
Upon trying to boot (either UEFI or BIOS) from Windows 10 install disk, there are no drives present.
You must be using UEFI to boot Windows 10 on a GPT disk. Otherwise, it must be MBR.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.
I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.
LOL - of course - but then again - Windows 10 ISO install can't even say that.
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@Obsolesce said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
Upon trying to boot (either UEFI or BIOS) from Windows 10 install disk, there are no drives present.
You must be using UEFI to boot Windows 10 on a GPT disk. Otherwise, it must be MBR.
Sure, but if you are booting from installation media - the current disk format doesn't matter - the installer should still see the drive, and if needed - tell you it needs to be reformatted for the current BIOS/UEFI settings.
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@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Obsolesce said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
Upon trying to boot (either UEFI or BIOS) from Windows 10 install disk, there are no drives present.
You must be using UEFI to boot Windows 10 on a GPT disk. Otherwise, it must be MBR.
Sure, but if you are booting from installation media - the current disk format doesn't matter - the installer should still see the drive, and if needed - tell you it needs to be reformatted for the current BIOS/UEFI settings.
Yeah I quoted the wrong thing. I was referring to the OS booting, not the boot media.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.
I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.
Right....I bet that windows crap is still there!
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@jmoore said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
@G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:
They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!
Basically. And yes, very cool.
No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.
I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.
Right....I bet that windows crap is still there!
Almost certainly.
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Aww - Clonezilla isn't considered a Linux distro - it's really just a tool - one that happens to use Linux to boot the system (because the Clonezilla tool itself is not bootable).
think of it like this the calculator tool on Windows - the code for it on a USB stick is useless, it can't do anything, but, if you boot the system from Windows, then the code can run under windows. Clonezilla is the same.
@Dashrender Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for the late reply.
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No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.
@JaredBusch So this bootable only included raid drivers for windows to see the partitions it seems. I was able to see the partitions and delete them to install new OS from my Win10 DVD. After Windows booted there was an HP installer on that disk as well, but I just skipped running it as I assumed it was just bloatware. When you say vendor image, in this instance, what could be different besides the bloatware part? Are we talking outdated RAID drivers or default drivers used by Windows, and wouldn't those drivers update as soon as you ran an obligatory "Check for Updates"?
Trying to be better and you guys are really helping, so I appreciate the input.
