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    Water Closet
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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
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      If you're a casual writer, why would you look it up (and frankly, where would you look it up?)?

      Now AJ's not claiming to be a casual writer, but unless someone brought it up, like this thread, why would you go looking for something you don't know is a problem?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        You should run into it in style guides. I've been seeing it over and over again all through elementary school, high school, college, etc. And it seems to even come up in IT forums 😉

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        • thanksajdotcomT
          thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          You should run into it in style guides. I've been seeing it over and over again all through elementary school, high school, college, etc. And it seems to even come up in IT forums 😉

          I've got college manuals and professors, high school teachers, and plenty of other people who have never once made so much as even a comment about single spaced papers.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch
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            I would need to check my the style guide from when I went back for my MS, but my memory tells me that it was not mentioned.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              "Printed words need the relief of a surrounding blank as much as figures in a landscape need background or contrast, perspective or atmosphere." - The Practice of Typography

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                "White space is needed to make printing comprehensible." - The Practice of Typography

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  Single spacing was adopted to lower the cost of printing, not because it was more readable.

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                  • coliverC
                    coliver @JaredBusch
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                    @JaredBusch said:

                    I would need to check my the style guide from when I went back for my MS, but my memory tells me that it was not mentioned.

                    This, writing at the grad level I don't think I encountered this issue. I'd heard about the "controversy" before but never really thought much on it.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      I double spaced everything (English spaced) everything all the way from K through grad school and professional writing and have never had single spacing suggested or mentioned.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
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                        It is now the MLA standard recommendation.

                        http://www.mla.org/style/style_faq/mlastyle_spaces

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch
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                          https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/747/01/

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @JaredBusch
                            last edited by

                            And the wikipedia article is well cited.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch
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                              In summary, I do not care how you think it should be or how you were taught.

                              It is not how the language is typed, and has not been for years.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                It looks like the style guides have given sway to popular fashion. Double spacing has been the style guide choice for centuries. It would be nice if style guides listed why they changed their own policies.

                                This article gives a good viewpoint from the Economist.

                                http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2013/10/style

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  It looks like the style guides have given sway to popular fashion. Double spacing has been the style guide choice for centuries. It would be nice if style guides listed why they changed their own policies.

                                  They "gave way" decades ago. No matter what you think, or how you were taught.

                                  Language is a living thing. It is always changing, written or verbal, it does not matter. There are no rules for how a language changes. It is changed by the users of the language as they use it.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    Cool I learned a few things today.

                                    OK learned or Learnt?

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Learnt is what I use. It's the traditional one.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                        @JaredBusch said:

                                        They "gave way" decades ago. No matter what you think, or how you were taught.

                                        Language is a living thing. It is always changing, written or verbal, it does not matter. There are no rules for how a language changes. It is changed by the users of the language as they use it.

                                        There is a line, though. While that is true (for English, French does have a definition) to some degree and that is what the Oxford Dictionary is all about it is not how Americans treat it (the Websters dictionaries are about defining use before it is used, not documenting how it is used) but if you allow ANYTHING then the shortcuts that kids use today is suddenly "acceptable."

                                        Where do you draw lines? It sounds gr8 2 call it a living language but pretty soon we ain't using a real language anymore and noone understands each other.

                                        The problem with the pure living language theory is that you can't having proper spelling or proper grammar and communications suffers or fails. Soon ironic means coincidental and there is no word left for irony and cloud means hosted.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          Cool I learned a few things today.

                                          OK learned or Learnt?

                                          http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/words/learnt-vs-learned

                                          Learned is by far the more common. Learnt, I feel, sounds better and follows the better pattern. Learned is the more common on both sides of the pond. Learnt is rare in the US, but common (just not the more common) in the UK.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                            @JaredBusch said:

                                            They "gave way" decades ago. No matter what you think, or how you were taught.

                                            When, though? Long after the style was taught. Style started to change in low end printing around 1961. But when did the major style guides make the change to reflect the rise of the new style?

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