ML
    • Recent
    • Categories
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Groups
    • Register
    • Login

    Equipment Placement in Rack

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Water Closet
    rack
    18 Posts 6 Posters 864 Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • hobbit666H
      hobbit666
      last edited by scottalanmiller

      is there a standard for what goes where in a rack?
      Especially smaller wall mounted ones?

      scottalanmillerS 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 1
      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
        last edited by

        This was asked in "Anything Goes" but is a real, serious question so I forked it out.

        hobbit666H 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @hobbit666
          last edited by

          @hobbit666 said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

          is there a standard for what goes where in a rack?

          Yes, so much so that it is covered on the Server+ exam.

          The most important thing for traditional racks is that heavy equipment (like UPS units) goes all the way on the bottom and you fill bottom to top heaviest to lightest. So generally networking gear goes up top, servers go in the middle, and power and batteries on the bottom. Storage is generally below servers.

          hobbit666H 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @hobbit666
            last edited by

            @hobbit666 said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

            Especially smaller wall mounted ones?

            Not so much as weight is generally the biggest factor. You still want heavier stuff towards the bottom to distribute weight on the wall mounts, though.

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              I find it pretty typical to have firewall on top and switches either next or in the middle. Are you putting servers in this? Or only networking gear?

              hobbit666H 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • hobbit666H
                hobbit666 @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                This was asked in "Anything Goes" but is a real, serious question so I forked it out.

                Did wonder if to make separate topic šŸ™‚

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • hobbit666H
                  hobbit666 @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                  I find it pretty typical to have firewall on top and switches either next or in the middle. Are you putting servers in this? Or only networking gear?

                  In most of our sites No. They generally have just Patch panel, switch, router (not rack mountable/doesn't come as one) maybe 2.

                  Some sites may have something special, like a phone system.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    I did this for a client recently. We mounted the UPS vertically instead of in the rack, put less strain on the rack. We don't have any servers.

                    Top down
                    Patch panels
                    switch
                    firewall
                    shelf for NAS

                    coliverC 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                    • hobbit666H
                      hobbit666
                      last edited by

                      So if we take as any example a site i visited yesterday as they need a clean up. Currently in the cab is

                      Patch Panel
                      Switch
                      Avaya IP Office
                      2 routers loose on the bottom. Draytek 2860 and a Cisco 887

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • hobbit666H
                        hobbit666 @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                        The most important thing for traditional racks is that heavy equipment (like UPS units) goes all the way on the bottom and you fill bottom to top heaviest to lightest. So generally networking gear goes up top, servers go in the middle, and power and batteries on the bottom. Storage is generally below servers.

                        This is how i've always done "full" racks that have big equipment in

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • 1
                          1337
                          last edited by

                          Most 4 post racks are stable and stationary and it doesn't really matter where you put stuff as long as you don't go crazy. Most servers aren't that heavy unless you get into 4U servers with dozen of 3.5" drives then all bets are off.

                          This is from APC 42U rack users manual:

                          WARNING
                          TIP HAZARD
                          • This cabinet is easily tipped. Make sure you have secured the cabinet to the floor before installing equipment.
                          • Install the heaviest equipment first and toward the bottom of the cabinet to prevent the cabinet from becoming top-heavy.
                          • Do not extend equipment on sliding rails until you have installed 158 kg (350 lb) of equipment into the bottom of the cabinet for stability or until you have installed the stabilizer plate or bolt-down brackets. Do not extend more than one piece of equipment on sliding rails at a time.
                          Failure to follow these instructions can result in death, serious injury, or equipment damage.

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • 1
                            1337
                            last edited by 1337

                            Besides tipping risk, what will matter though is more of a practical matter.

                            • Like how cables should be routed.
                            • If you need to read displays on servers you have to be able to see them.
                            • If you have something you want to access regularly you want it at a practical height and not have to use a step ladder or crawl on the floor.
                            • Where cables are coming from (bottom, top of rack or somewhere else).
                            • Heat generation and air flow.
                            • Possibility of mounting heavy equipment. Unless you have a lift, it's easier to mount them low.
                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                            • coliverC
                              coliver @Dashrender
                              last edited by coliver

                              @Dashrender said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                              I did this for a client recently. We mounted the UPS vertically instead of in the rack, put less strain on the rack. We don't have any servers.

                              Top down
                              Patch panels
                              switch
                              firewall
                              shelf for NAS

                              If you have room. I like the:

                              • patch
                              • space
                              • switch
                              • space
                              • patch

                              Arrangement. Gives room for some cable management tooling. Also if you have the room an oversized rack makes cable management so much easier.

                              wirestyle22W DashrenderD 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • wirestyle22W
                                wirestyle22 @coliver
                                last edited by wirestyle22

                                @coliver said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                                @Dashrender said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                                I did this for a client recently. We mounted the UPS vertically instead of in the rack, put less strain on the rack. We don't have any servers.

                                Top down
                                Patch panels
                                switch
                                firewall
                                shelf for NAS

                                If you have room. I like the:

                                • patch
                                • space
                                • switch
                                • space
                                • patch

                                Arrangement. Gives room for some cable management tooling. Also if you have the room an oversized rack makes cable management so much easier.

                                I prefer this:

                                • 24 Port Patch Panel
                                • 48 Port Switch
                                • 24 Port Patch Panel
                                • 24 Port Patch Panel
                                • 48 Port Switch
                                • 24 Port Patch Panel

                                This is extremely clean patch cabling

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                                • wirestyle22W
                                  wirestyle22
                                  last edited by wirestyle22

                                  top 24 port patch plugs into the top 24 ports of the switch, bottom does the same on the bottom of the switch. Cabling company forgot to patch like 38 ports at this specific site which is why the patch panels aren't the correct number.
                                  2.jpg

                                  I also do this with the ISP equipment (below). I didn't happen to have my UPS installed yet so ignore the cables going along the wall for the verizon tech.

                                  1.jpg

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @coliver
                                    last edited by

                                    @coliver said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                                    @Dashrender said in Equipment Placement in Rack:

                                    I did this for a client recently. We mounted the UPS vertically instead of in the rack, put less strain on the rack. We don't have any servers.

                                    Top down
                                    Patch panels
                                    switch
                                    firewall
                                    shelf for NAS

                                    If you have room. I like the:

                                    • patch
                                    • space
                                    • switch
                                    • space
                                    • patch

                                    Arrangement. Gives room for some cable management tooling. Also if you have the room an oversized rack makes cable management so much easier.

                                    There's only one patch and one switch, so it does mimic your desire.

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • hobbit666H
                                      hobbit666
                                      last edited by

                                      This is what i was dealing with:-

                                      Apart from needed a shelf at the bottom for the two routers. Maybe shorter cables from Patch to Switch?
                                      The 4 RJ45 parts on the side will be removed, these are old PSTN lines that are no longer needed.

                                      What about power? Mount a surge strip underneath the cab? or leave it loose on the bottom towards the back?

                                      IMG_20191022_133144.jpg

                                      1 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                      • 1
                                        1337 @hobbit666
                                        last edited by 1337

                                        @hobbit666

                                        Two switches but looks like there is space for everything in the top switch?

                                        Anyway, it's tricky to make it nice when you have to use what you have.

                                        But different length patch cables make a big difference. Same color unless it's color coded for some reason.

                                        I suggest the thin patch cables that someone from here recommended to me. They are awesome and a lot thinner than what it looks like. You can fit about three times as many cables in the same space.

                                        https://www.fs.com/c/28awg-slim-patch-cables-613

                                        And yes, put 19" power strip on the bottom. Something like:
                                        https://www.fs.com/products/29452.html

                                        I'd probably forgo the horizontal cable management and go directly from patch panel to switch. Perhaps even move them together. If you have vlans, reconfigure the switch so you cable it neatly.
                                        patchpanel_switch_cabling.jpg

                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 3
                                        • 1 / 1
                                        • First post
                                          Last post