Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
Do you have another example?
Many, many video games.
OneDrive.
Teams.
One drive is built in - the 'force' as you might call it is an update for it.
Once removed, it should not be FORCED back. Forced is forced. Updates that now only install, but force apps to run, is FORCED.
You are grasping at straws to try to justify borderline illegal behavior.
You've fully removed it and it came back? OK, I'll give you forced in that situation.
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@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
There are enough examples out there
There are countless examples of giant companies using other things than MS Office, too. A lot of the Fortune 10 do not, for example. IBM, Apple, Oracle...all run on non-Windows products.
And the last that we knew, Munich didn't roll back. They voted to, without IT input, for reasons that the politicians didn't understand. They also didn't run normal Linux but went with making their own OS. Their issues are that they are just crazy. If that's the big example of open source failing, that's a huge statement.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/munich_linux_costs_ownership/
At this point the cost and complexity of rolling back is staggering and has a good chance of failing.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
Do you have another example?
Many, many video games.
OneDrive.
Teams.
One drive is built in - the 'force' as you might call it is an update for it.
Once removed, it should not be FORCED back. Forced is forced. Updates that now only install, but force apps to run, is FORCED.
You are grasping at straws to try to justify borderline illegal behavior.
You've fully removed it and it came back? OK, I'll give you forced in that situation.
Yes, hence the use of the term force.
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@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
Then you would say the same towards Ubuntu if you install Ubuntu Desktop with the normal installation that includes Amazon. Now there is an option to install with minimal install that doesn't include that.
If Windows made these things optional like Ubuntu, it would be great that they include them as an option. But they don't. It's not comparable.
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Default installation of Windows 10 Education has a clean start menu. Too bad home and professional doesn't.
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Clean install of 1903 Pro did last time I did it. I was shocked.
I didn't document. so I want to do it again to verify.
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
Clean install of 1903 Pro did last time I did it. I was shocked.
I didn't document. so I want to do it again to verify.
Well shit - I just did a clean install of 1903 yesterday, and will be making a new golden image shortly.. I'll look at Pro as well.
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@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
"Force" ?
Uh, no. No one has to open their wallet to anyone.
If there is value in what Microsoft may be advertising or suggesting once the user logs in then all the power to them. The user opens their wallet and voluntarily pays.
OneDrive personal is free and comes with a built-in encrypted vault now. They bumped the default storage up to 100GB or 75GB which is more than enough for folks to back up their critical stuff.
Most folks will pay the $9 or whatever per month for O365 and get that integration too. Then their OneDrive hits 1TB and they get Microsoft Office.
G00g is crap. Plain and simple. No competition with Microsoft Office and O365. None.
We're working with a number of clients that have the full O365 Single Sign-On (SSO) setup in place and it's sweet. Multi Factor Authentication makes it even better with an app instead of a text. They've got a good thing going there.
I agree Office 365 is great, but it's about the only thing.
What we were actually discussing is how bloated windows 10 seems to be. Why can't the default install be the best for performance. You damn well know people don't use half the features on a base install. Yet stupid shit like cortana is slowing down systems.
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Home users suffer the most because usually business class PCs are more powerful than your standard home user. Grandma with a celeron and 4gb of ram is a big time loser with all these "extra" features. Hell she even uses bing because she can't figure out how to search otherwise. She sure as hell has no need for extra bullshit
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@IRJ Yep your right about that.
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@IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
Home users suffer the most because usually business class PCs are more powerful than your standard home user. Grandma with a celeron and 4gb of ram is a big time loser with all these "extra" features. Hell she even uses bing because she can't figure out how to search otherwise. She sure as hell has no need for extra bullshit
This is a double edged sword. I totally understand what you're saying about the extra features being on (not talking about the adware crap), but if you disable them - how many more support calls are you going to get because things don't 'just work'?
FYI - MS has removed Cortana starting in 1903, normal search is back.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
This is a double edged sword. I totally understand what you're saying about the extra features being on (not talking about the adware crap), but if you disable them - how many more support calls are you going to get because things don't 'just work'?
Opposite, I think. Things like Cortana are confusing, problematic, and scary. That's what generates the support calls.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
FYI - MS has removed Cortana starting in 1903, normal search is back.
Ah, that explains what we saw doing deployments last night.
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I would be interested to compare a default windows 10 install with Azure's Windows 10 VDI. I wonder how much extra shit is on with standard windows 10 that they wont run on their own hardware
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@IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I would be interested to compare a default windows 10 install with Azure's Windows 10 VDI. I wonder how much extra shit is on with standard windows 10 that they wont run on their own hardware
Well - I assume that their VDI is using Windows 10 Enterprise - so it should be the same in their VDI or your personal hardware, at least for the most part.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.
Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.
Interesting - didn't know that.
So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?
You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.
Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.
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Enterprise and Education don't have all that extra crap (the games) that home and Pro do - I don't understand at all why they include that shit in Pro... it's not like anything sold at typical retail has Pro on it, with the exception of Surface Pro devices (which are sold at retail).
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@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.
Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.
Interesting - didn't know that.
So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?
You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.
Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.
Log on process?
Domain\UserName & Password
or
[email protected] AAD account?
For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I would be interested to compare a default windows 10 install with Azure's Windows 10 VDI. I wonder how much extra shit is on with standard windows 10 that they wont run on their own hardware
Well - I assume that their VDI is using Windows 10 Enterprise - so it should be the same in their VDI or your personal hardware, at least for the most part.
If you were MS and you were running let's say 100,000 VDIs (probably low number) on your hardware, I would think you would 100% optimize. Not doing so would be foolish and expensive.
I would bet that it isnt just Windows 10 Enterprise, but that is just my best guess based on cost of not doing it.
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@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.
Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.
Interesting - didn't know that.
So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?
You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.
Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.
Log on process?
Domain\UserName & Password
or
[email protected] AAD account?
For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.
Yes [email protected].
On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding
AzureAD\[email protected]like this:net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /addOtherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.
