Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS
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@PhlipElder said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
Cisco/Umbrella/OpenDNS instructions to block DoH.
Well it involves security and Cisco doesn't like security.
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So I am thinking this makes search engine data much more valuable when your ISP isnt able to sell your information as easily.
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@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
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@JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google
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@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google
It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.
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@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
So I am thinking this makes search engine data much more valuable when your ISP isnt able to sell your information as easily.
Sensible.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google
It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.
The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here
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@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google
It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.
The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here
I still use Google but my default search engine is still duckduckgo. Big fan of their shortcuts.
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@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google
It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.
The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here
People like me.
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@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
this makes search engine data much more valuable
Follow the money, right? Good catch!
Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google
It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.
The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here
I tried to use duckduckgo for about 2 months. I still prefer the google results.
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I use Bing 95% of the time
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@Obsolesce said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
I use Bing 95% of the time
bahah loser.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@Obsolesce said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
I use Bing 95% of the time
bahah loser.
Wow you're so emotional today.
I always fine what I'm looking for on the first page. If I don't, I don't on Google either.
Meh.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@Obsolesce how does that help when I do 99% of my lookups from a desktop?
Looks like you can set pi-hole to use cloudflare's DNS over https.
That should work then.
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@Obsolesce said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@scottalanmiller said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@Obsolesce how does that help when I do 99% of my lookups from a desktop?
Looks like you can set pi-hole to use cloudflare's DNS over https.
That should work then.
You can, but that only helps if your trying to only hide that one portion of the traffic, or your PiHole is hosted on a private network (or you are doing DNS over VPN to it.)
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The ISPs are still going to get pretty darn close knowing the IPs of all the traffic. They don't need DNS to track user activities. It's just a lot easier if they do.
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@larsen161 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
The ISPs are still going to get pretty darn close knowing the IPs of all the traffic. They don't need DNS to track user activities. It's just a lot easier if they do.
Exactly, I'm guessing that very very few of the big websites are IP sharing with other big websites.
You want to blind you ISP, you have to VPN out past them. -
@larsen161 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
The ISPs are still going to get pretty darn close knowing the IPs of all the traffic. They don't need DNS to track user activities. It's just a lot easier if they do.
Depends, with a VPN you can get around that.
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@Dashrender said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
@larsen161 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
The ISPs are still going to get pretty darn close knowing the IPs of all the traffic. They don't need DNS to track user activities. It's just a lot easier if they do.
Exactly, I'm guessing that very very few of the big websites are IP sharing with other big websites.
You want to blind you ISP, you have to VPN out past them.Exactly
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@larsen161 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:
The ISPs are still going to get pretty darn close knowing the IPs of all the traffic. They don't need DNS to track user activities. It's just a lot easier if they do.
I'm actually leaning on the side of not caring for home use. It's not like I ever visit any domains or have IP traffic to/from places that could be used against me in any way. So really, I don't care if the places I do go to are used for monetary gain for the ISP or for AD serving. I block ads anyways, so really, neither part effects me.
However, I do have a problem with it for enterprise, because they may likely have traffic that can be either used against them, whether sold, used for competitive advantages, source leaks, etc, lots of possibilities and reasons to be concerned from a business perspective... But IMO, at least for me, not a personal perspective.
For any adhoc needs, there is always secure dns and VPN.
That all said, even though I don't care, I'd still prefer the ISP is totally out of the loop and am for encrypted DNS.
