Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller OH DUH....IBM right???
Yup. IBM makes the majority of Power processors and all of the high performance ones. Power is open source, so others can make it. Motorola made a low end Power proc family called PowerPC that Apple used to buy. Lots of chip makes use Power designs to make small 64bit chips these days. You find them in all kinds of appliances. But they are not nearly as popular as ARM for that.
Would Snapdragon count as ARM?
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The main processor families for general computing around still today include: Power, Sparc, MIPS, AMD64, ARM, RISC-V.
Recently killed off families included Alpha, PA-RISC, Itanium, IA32.
AMD and Intel both primarily make AMD64 chips. Intel has no chip design of its own today.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Hmmm, never heard of Power.
Power is the only remaining processor made by or available for IBM customers. IBM sold everything that used Intel or AMD to Lenovo so that they could focus 100% on their Power products. Power is what powers mainfraimes, the majority of mini-computers, anything AIX, and many others.
Power also does other things and is very common in RAID controllers and other small items. But not made by IBM in those cases.
Off-topic, but I remember reading an article a few years back that IBM switched all their employees over to Apple machines. Lol...random.
Because they don't want to use Windows. IBM and Microsoft do not like each other.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller OH DUH....IBM right???
Yup. IBM makes the majority of Power processors and all of the high performance ones. Power is open source, so others can make it. Motorola made a low end Power proc family called PowerPC that Apple used to buy. Lots of chip makes use Power designs to make small 64bit chips these days. You find them in all kinds of appliances. But they are not nearly as popular as ARM for that.
Would Snapdragon count as ARM?
Snapdragon is the highest performance ARM for end user devices made currently, yes.
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There are way faster ARM procs made, but they aren't designed for end user devices. They are made for servers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
The main processor families for general computing around still today include: Power, Sparc, MIPS, AMD64, ARM, RISC-V.
Recently killed off families included Alpha, PA-RISC, Itanium, IA32.
AMD and Intel both primarily make AMD64 chips. Intel has no chip design of its own today.
What about Xeon? And speaking of which, fuck those damn things are expensive.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What about Xeon? And speaking of which, fuck those damn things are expensive.
Xeon is one specific model of Intel's AMD64 lineup. It's not actually a model on its own. It's a "server" designation of other lines. You could by a Pentium III Xeon, then a Pentium IV Xeon, a Core Xeon, etc.
Just like how i3 means low end processor, and i5 means middle of the road, Xeon means "server".
Xeon as a designation going back to the Pentium II era and was the direct successor to the Pentium Pro, which most people know as the Pentium III architecture. So the original Xeons were 32bit, so IA32 architecture.
All modern Xeons since around 2006 are 64bit, so AMD64.
Intel has only ever made two 64bit families. IA64 (aka Itanium) and AMD64 (i3, i5, Xeon, etc.) Everything that isn't Itanium is AMD64 from them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.
That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.
I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit.
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@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.
That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.
I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit.
We've hit that era where as long as you have enough RAM and an SSD, the CPU is often not a factor
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I had a HP DC5850 that replaced my dx5150 which I had used for years. The DC5850 made it nine years, I think, as my main desktop. That had the AMD Phenom-II processor, 6GB of RAM, but the key was that it had an early SSD and was so fast that the old CPU didn't matter. Now 6GB of RAM would kill me, but 8GB will essentially work.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
I had a HP DC5850 that replaced my dx5150 which I had used for years. The DC5850 made it nine years, I think, as my main desktop. That had the AMD Phenom-II processor, 6GB of RAM, but the key was that it had an early SSD and was so fast that the old CPU didn't matter. Now 6GB of RAM would kill me, but 8GB will essentially work.
AMD Phenom was my favorite.
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Damn dude you just missed a deal that was exactly what you're looking for. Bummer.
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@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.
That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.
I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit.
Toshiba Tecra Z50 is exactly what I have as well. :thumbs_up:
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.
That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.
I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit.
We've hit that era where as long as you have enough RAM and an SSD, the CPU is often not a factor
Hah, that's so true
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@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
I had a HP DC5850 that replaced my dx5150 which I had used for years. The DC5850 made it nine years, I think, as my main desktop. That had the AMD Phenom-II processor, 6GB of RAM, but the key was that it had an early SSD and was so fast that the old CPU didn't matter. Now 6GB of RAM would kill me, but 8GB will essentially work.
AMD Phenom was my favorite.
Oh but that Sempron though!
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.
That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.
I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit.
We've hit that era where as long as you have enough RAM and an SSD, the CPU is often not a factor
Perhaps those updates to my 2012'sh laptop would make it usable - but it also weighs over 5 lbs, probably over 6, so I have desire to carry it around.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
I had a HP DC5850 that replaced my dx5150 which I had used for years. The DC5850 made it nine years, I think, as my main desktop. That had the AMD Phenom-II processor, 6GB of RAM, but the key was that it had an early SSD and was so fast that the old CPU didn't matter. Now 6GB of RAM would kill me, but 8GB will essentially work.
AMD Phenom was my favorite.
Oh but that Sempron though!
Let's see,
- Intel 486SX
- IBM/CYRIX 6x86MX (these were real performers ... not)
- Intel Xeon Processor 2400DP
- Intel Pentium III
- Intel Pentium D
- Intel Celeron
The Pentium Pro was a significant size larger but I don't have one anymore. I'm not sure where it went.
- Intel 486SX
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@PhlipElder Where's the slot Proc?! Lol. Now those are biiiiiig.
Think they sat in ISA slots right? Or no maybe it was just a special slot for the processor...can't remember -
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@PhlipElder Where's the slot Proc?! Lol. Now those are biiiiiig.
Think they sat in ISA slots right? Or no maybe it was just a special slot for the processor...can't rememberIt was a custom slot that allowed for four or eight CPU configurations without needing too much real estate to make it happen. I was working for a former employer in those days, so unfortunately don't have any samples.
With AMD's EPYC Rome single socket CPU setups absolutely crushing Intel's dual and even quad :astonished_face: processor rigs real estate won't be too much of an issue for the next few years.
The trend, in my mind, was back towards daughter cards for CPUs and memory slots given the density direction Intel was heading in.
AMD packing such a huge punch in one socket has put Intel on notice and Ice Lake is probably not going to be the answer they need especially if it does not have PCIe Gen 4.
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@PhlipElder Finally, we're going to see an epic rise in AMD's market share (more so than the already growing trend).
AMD will be ryzing up epically!
