Question about AWS
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@vhinzsanchez said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
I assume a reseller, not VMware themselves.
correct, a local reseller
This is where the fundamental problems start. Why would a reseller be allowed to propose bad ideas and encourages to trick you guys into getting screwed? Somewhere in management, someone is messing up the basics of business. If you have a predatory vendor who is just out to ruin your project, why is someone listening to them? Just kick them out the door and call the police if they come back. It sounds like that vendor is your enemy, why is the boss not protecting the company from them?
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Everyone needs a vendor sometimes, but there are good vendors and predatory ones. A good vendor listens to your needs and does what IT directs them to do, sometimes adding a little advice. Predatory vendors try to make their money by hurting your business and aren't there to serve IT, but to undermine it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Time to get those predatory vendors out of there!
You know what I don't like? Making this myself. Don't have enough confidence for production stuff. In test environment, I can surely study but when in production, I do not think I can do it. Sad truth to it.
The best thing here is that the legacy systems will still be here...untouched.
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@vhinzsanchez said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Time to get those predatory vendors out of there!
You know what I don't like? Making this myself. Don't have enough confidence for production stuff. In test environment, I can surely study but when in production, I do not think I can do it. Sad truth to it.
The best thing here is that the legacy systems will still be here...untouched.
No one wants to be stuck on their own doing that stuff. But vendors don't help with that. To solve that problem, you need a consultant / outsourcer. There is a whole world of IT companies that do that one specific thing for exactly this case!
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You should have an IT partner, like an MSP or an ITSP, that is there to support you. That is there to help the business and is on the "same team" as you. Resellers are the enemy, they are the other side of the fence. It is the job of IT to defend the business against resellers.
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One thing that I did not see @scottalanmiller mention is that colocation.
Your gear, still virtualized how you want, but not in your office.
What kind of colocatoin costs are there in the Phillipines?
in the US, it is really a no brainer to go with a solid higher tier colo like Colocation America simply because of the economics of scale. That level of service is rock solid and affordable.
But at the lower end, good reputable places with customer cages are not bad choices if the price is right and their backend services are good.
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@vhinzsanchez
Don't forget colocation as an option too. Usually a colocation datacenter has better internet connection, better power, better cooling and is physically more secure.Ahh, @JaredBusch beat me to it I see.
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I agree, colocation is a very real consideration.
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Colo solves the cost of storage, but dealing with 6TB with their bad internet will still be terrible.
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Even in the US with fast fiber, accessing 6TB over the Internet with SMB is ridiculously slow. Having to do it over DSL from another country.... impossible.
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@bnrstnr said in Question about AWS:
Colo solves the cost of storage, but dealing with 6TB with their bad internet will still be terrible.
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Even in the US with fast fiber, accessing 6TB over the Internet with SMB is ridiculously slow. Having to do it over DSL from another country.... impossible.Having 6TB does not mean you are accessing all 6TB all of the time.
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@vhinzsanchez What does your 6TB consist of? Are users working with large folders of CAD drawings or something?
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@bnrstnr said in Question about AWS:
Colo solves the cost of storage, but dealing with 6TB with their bad internet will still be terrible.
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Even in the US with fast fiber, accessing 6TB over the Internet with SMB is ridiculously slow. Having to do it over DSL from another country.... impossible.Having 6TB does not mean you are accessing all 6TB all of the time.
No, but even accessing it sometimes will be problematic.
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@bnrstnr said in Question about AWS:
@vhinzsanchez What does your 6TB consist of? Are users working with large folders of CAD drawings or something?
Oh that would be REALLY bad, lol.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
Of course this doesn't include things like backup (not sure AWS does either) or UPS or redundant ISPs, or HVAC, etc, etc, etc.
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@Dashrender said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
You are saying that Windows 2019 + 5 years of SA is closer to $1600? That could be right.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@Dashrender said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
You are saying that Windows 2019 + 5 years of SA is closer to $1600? That could be right.
Why SA? Do you need it? Are you feeling the need for a feature it grants? Or that you will upgrade?
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@Dashrender said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
You are saying that Windows 2019 + 5 years of SA is closer to $1600? That could be right.
Why SA? Do you need it? Are you feeling the need for a feature it grants? Or that you will upgrade?
It's to price out upgrades that would match AWS or Azure. You COULD do without it, but it would not be a good apples to apples comparison. The flexibility to skip upgrades is a "pro" of avoiding cloud. The risk of skipping updates is also a "con" of it.
But I included it for "most similar" comparison and pricing reasons only. Had I skipped it, it would make on premises look unfairly cheap.
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@scottalanmiller Makes the right sense, just checking what the reason was.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
That's $400 cheaper. But the on premises option is way faster, both because the VM would have way more resources, and also because the latency to your users would be a fraction of AWS' latency. And things like backups would normally be cheaper.
If you continue to six years, the gap gets much larger.
You forgot to include the SA renewal starting after year 2. Also, what about the user/device CALs?
Edit-NM about the SA. I see someone else mentioned it further down the thread.
