Commercial Desktops vs. Whiteboxes
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How many desktops are you looking at?
Can you get the Whitebox vendor is all states that you do business in?
You might want to look at how you'd go about organising warranty claims.- Many different Whitebox vendors makes it hard to claim.
- Another global financial crisis or stock market crash may sink your Whitebox vendor
How flexible can HP, Dell etc be? (not very)
Can a Whitebox get you get exactly what you want from someone who understands the hardware that they are selling? Yes.
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I did this for 3 years. Although I had no hardware issues at all, each time there was a new "line" to create as the components are no longer available or new items come out replacing old stock numbers.
As a small shop i was always worried about replacement parts, but when i moved to Intel boards and Intel processors that situation never came up. I also didn't have much if any warranty info for the client.
For the sake of sanity and since I am a one man band, I decided to provide HP or Dell Pro class PC's which saves a ton on time when pricing for parts. Oh and it seemed each time, I couldn't find the same SFF case.
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@nadnerB said:
Can you get the Whitebox vendor is all states that you do business in?
No vendor, all internal. NTG's own bench services would make them.
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@technobabble said:
As a small shop i was always worried about replacement parts, but when i moved to Intel boards and Intel processors that situation never came up. I also didn't have much if any warranty info for the client.
Well this is for internal use, not for clients. That's another issue. Traditionally we've always been able to say "well we don't use whiteboxes, why should you?" Practicing what we preach is important when dealing with SMB customers. However, the financial and technical factors between us and are clients are quite different in this regard. We have heavier technical needs and our own bench services, for example, and they do not. And our end users are nearly all qualified techs in their own right and even those that are not work in offices full of techs. So the availability of support is extremely high, unlike our customers who normally need to come to us for things like this and using commercial machines saves them support calls that aren't an issue for us.
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@scottalanmiller said:
A large deciding factor, beyond cost, will be what @Mike-Ralston can come up with as a farm factor. How "cool", yet still business-like, does it look while remaining small.
The cooler, the less cost effective. I'm a bit busy, but I'll read the whole post and whip up handful of examples for machines tomorrow.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@nadnerB said:
Can you get the Whitebox vendor is all states that you do business in?
No vendor, all internal. NTG's own bench services would make them.
AKA Me, right?
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@nadnerB said:
Can you get the Whitebox vendor is all states that you do business in?
No vendor, all internal. NTG's own bench services would make them.
AKA Me, right?
Pretty much.
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@scottalanmiller Here's 2 to start you off while I come up with more. I've decided that a chassis with a built in PSU is the cheapest way to go. Both of these cases also have the room to possibly do some sort of fancy NTG themed powder coat?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QKGsjX - High Powered, Small, Stylish build.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RB9hGX - Cheapest Acceptable Rig.
Play with the parts and post a link back, or offer suggestions for things that should be changed? Appreciate the feedback.
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AMD dual core is way too little. We have triple core today and it's not enough.
Integrated GPU isn't enough. We want full NVidia external GPU.
The dual core A series will be one core CPU and one core GPU. That will be pretty awful performance. I was thinking more like four to eight core plus a real video card.
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@scottalanmiller Entirely misinformation. Integrated GPU is more powerful than anyone in NTG, other than me, is currently running, in that Hadron chassis. If you want those kinds of things, we're talking more like $600-$1000 or beyond. What's the target budget here?
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@scottalanmiller Entirely misinformation. Integrated GPU is more powerful than anyone in NTG, other than me, is currently running, in that Hadron chassis. If you want those kinds of things, we're talking more like $600-$1000 or beyond. What's the target budget here?
It's not. Not at all. The AMD A series is super underpowered. It's a CPU and GPU in a single die with each getting some of the cores for their tasks. Not up to anything but basic web surfing usage. No idea why you think this but this is like the confusion around the power in ARM CPUs. These just aren't powerful enough to use.
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@scottalanmiller What are you talking about??? I used an APU for around a year, and it was the A10 - 5700. Worked fine for heavy gaming use, at medium to high settings. Could handle dozens of webpages, and multiple background tasks including Skype and Skyrim, all at the same time. It's much more powerful than the solution that @Minion-Queen uses, and she uses a ton of tasks all at once. Ask her.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
I used an APU for around a year, and it was the A10 - 5700. .... It's much more powerful than the solution that @Minion-Queen uses, and she uses a ton of tasks all at once.
Which one is she using? The A10 is a quad core, so that makes sense that a new quad core would outperform the older triple cores (not older because they are triple, they are actually much older.) But the A6 is only dual core, that's really low.
What is the GPU equivalent to in NVidia, roughly?
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It didn't score too hot on performance.
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Was thinking something closer to....
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But the A10 does save a ton of money, I see lots of value there. If it is really blowing away the normal desktop performance. What does it compare well to?
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Looking at this one...
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QKGsjX
If we remove the optical drive (no need for that) and replace the HD with an SSD maybe it makes sense.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Was thinking something closer to....
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1035T-vs-AMD-A10-5800K
The 5800K is a faster CPU than that in every way. And for comparing it to an Nvidia GPU... Hard to say, as the APU depends on Southbridge and RAM speed and amount quite heavily... A tad slower than a GTX 550, I would say.
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When you are using the A10, does your OS see all four cores? Someone had one in SW and they only saw half of their cores.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1035T-vs-AMD-A10-5800K
The 5800K is a faster CPU than that in every way.
Well no, that link specifically put the X6 as faster in performance. The A series was only faster in single threaded operations, as would be expected. That link uses overclocking as a determination for overall winner. So that link actually says to me, quite clearly, that the X6 is faster for business use based on whatever measuring tool that they used. However, it still might not be a great value if the price isn't good. But faster, it clearly is, when moving beyond single threaded workloads. And for business use, effectively everything is heavily threaded.
