Building a Mail Server
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@Pete-S said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
MailGun
Is that the same type of service as Sendgrid? Do you send all outgoing mail through it?
That's correct. We've had better luck with MailGun, though. Used both and I like SendGrid, but their deliverability wasn't very good.
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Apparently Twillio is buying Sendgrid...
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@Harry-Lui That is what I use for my sites. Its a nice little service.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
MailCow is what we are looking at. @Alex-Sage recommends it. It looks promising.
You just never sit still.
I thought you were against self hosted email for most?
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@Dashrender said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
MailCow is what we are looking at. @Alex-Sage recommends it. It looks promising.
You just never sit still.
I thought you were against self hosted email for most?
For most, but it's...
- Not truly self hosting, MailGun is our actual MTA.
- We have the expertise to make it a non-issue for support.
- Our needs are relatively unique and the cost for hosted is extreme, we were going to go with Zoho till they did their 50% price increase.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@Dashrender said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
MailCow is what we are looking at. @Alex-Sage recommends it. It looks promising.
You just never sit still.
I thought you were against self hosted email for most?
For most, but it's...
- Not truly self hosting, MailGun is our actual MTA.
- We have the expertise to make it a non-issue for support.
- Our needs are relatively unique and the cost for hosted is extreme, we were going to go with Zoho till they did their 50% price increase.
the reason I actually asked that is - because no one asked the OP why he wants/needs to host his own email server. I'm more than a bit surprised by this.
Sure there are times when you need to, but that seems like the place to start.
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@Dashrender I would assume he is currently using a hosting service, and based on @mroth911 most recent posts is looking to cut as much cost wherever possible, and utilize his server infrastructure to the maximum capacity without any continuous monthly spend for services that he could host himself.
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@Dashrender said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@Dashrender said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
MailCow is what we are looking at. @Alex-Sage recommends it. It looks promising.
You just never sit still.
I thought you were against self hosted email for most?
For most, but it's...
- Not truly self hosting, MailGun is our actual MTA.
- We have the expertise to make it a non-issue for support.
- Our needs are relatively unique and the cost for hosted is extreme, we were going to go with Zoho till they did their 50% price increase.
the reason I actually asked that is - because no one asked the OP why he wants/needs to host his own email server. I'm more than a bit surprised by this.
Sure there are times when you need to, but that seems like the place to start.
Because most of us have seen lots of threads from him and have an idea of what his situation is.
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@DustinB3403 said in Building a Mail Server:
@Dashrender I would assume he is currently using a hosting service, and based on @mroth911 most recent posts is looking to cut as much cost wherever possible, and utilize his server infrastructure to the maximum capacity without any continuous monthly spend for services that he could host himself.
Given his other posts, he may also be looking to be a provider himself. No idea if that is true, but reasonable.
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If you put cpanel on a server - not saying you should - but don't you get a complete mail setup with dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the whole shebang? And then set it to relay smtp through mailgun.
Isn't that what all those website and email providers do? Or are they each running custom configs?
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Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
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@Pete-S said in Building a Mail Server:
If you put cpanel on a server - not saying you should - but don't you get a complete mail setup with dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the whole shebang? And then set it to relay smtp through mailgun.
Isn't that what all those website and email providers do? Or are they each running custom configs?
Yes, and no business considers that an email solution. Yes, it technically sends and receives email, but in a nearly useless fashion.
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@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
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@Pete-S said in Building a Mail Server:
If you put cpanel on a server - not saying you should - but don't you get a complete mail setup with dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the whole shebang? And then set it to relay smtp through mailgun.
Isn't that what all those website and email providers do? Or are they each running custom configs?
Typically they only offer IMAP and POP, even a web interface is rare. It's normally very basic email, not "groupware" like most business mean with calendars and stuff. So you have to bring your own IMAP client.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@Pete-S said in Building a Mail Server:
If you put cpanel on a server - not saying you should - but don't you get a complete mail setup with dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the whole shebang? And then set it to relay smtp through mailgun.
Isn't that what all those website and email providers do? Or are they each running custom configs?
Yes, and no business considers that an email solution. Yes, it technically sends and receives email, but in a nearly useless fashion.
Yeah this is pretty much good enough for personal sites, but that's about it. You get mail and basic calendar and that's it. Very ugly web interfaces through cpanel mail
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@mroth911 said in Building a Mail Server:
I dont have ad..
Actually you do. You have AzureAD.
@scottalanmiller nice I am paying 12.50 @ 10 accounts .
But that is not Mail.
You are paying $12.50/month for Office365 Business Premium
- Outlook, Word, Excel, etc.
- Exchange Online
- Sharepoint, teams, ODfB, etc.
You could be paying a simple $4/user for Email (Exchange Online Plan 1).
In fact you could get EOP1 for $4 + O365 Business for $8.25 and only pay $12.25/user
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
Wow, that's really affordable. Anyone used them bwfore? What's the GUI like? Does it have calendar and contacts?
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
Are you trolling? Is this you?
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@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
Are you trolling? Is this you?
It is definitely not me. But easily could have been, lol. But if I was going to do that, it would be called MailBear.
