Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions
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@hobbit666 posted "Any quick tips on how to get VNC or like service running on Fedora 29 Workstation or Server?"
Presumably he needs a method to access a Fedora Workstation VM running on his KVM Hypervisor via a GUI. Cockpit is not an option that fits based on previous topics.
Based on this I think Virt-Viewer - direct download link might be the best option here, it's able to be installed on Windows and would allow @hobbit666 to access and view the desktop environment of any of his VMs on any number of KVM hosts.
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With virt-viewer, since it seems @hobbit666 doesn't seem to want to use a Type 1 or Type 2 on his Windows 10 Pro (yes Hyper-v capable but for specific reasons he doesn't want to use it, don't go down the rabbit hole) would have to create his first guest on KVM using Cockpit.
Once the VM is running through cockpit he could then use Virt-Viewer to access and manage the host.
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Downloading Fedora again to start installing a Workstation VM.
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@hobbit666 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
Downloading Fedora again to start installing a Workstation VM.
That might make the install trivially easier, but it's just a single command to install a desktop onto a server.
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@scottalanmiller said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
That might make the install trivially easier, but it's just a single command to install a desktop onto a server.
Going to look at both ways, this is a test lab to learn KVM and management so the more ways to do things the better to find what i like and find nicer
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@hobbit666 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
Downloading Fedora again to start installing a Workstation VM.
Where are you downloading Fedora to? Is this to have an ISO to create a VM with or are you downloading it to install on your daily driver as a VM / bare metal install?
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So i've install Fedora Server with Headless-Virtualisation option onto bare metal.
Created a ISO folder on the server and copied Win10.iso and FedoraWorkstation.iso to it ready to create some VM's.
Now i think i have two options to "Admin" this machine to create/edit/delete/console VM's with.
- As you suggest, install a Linux VM and within that VM use Virt-Viewer.
- Install a "Desktop" environment like MATE onto the Server, then use Virt-Manager locally.
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My "Daily Driver" is Windows 10 Pro
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@hobbit666 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
- As you suggest, install a Linux VM and within that VM use Virt-Viewer.
For more common would be to install oVirt in a VM for that.
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@hobbit666 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
My "Daily Driver" is Windows 10 Pro
Just create a (Fedora Workstation) VM on the hypervisor and use Virt-Viewer from Windows 10 to access that VM and manage the hypervisor with Virt-Manager on that Fedora Workstation.
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@DustinB3403 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
With virt-viewer, since it seems @hobbit666 doesn't seem to want to use a Type 1 or Type 2 on his Windows 10 Pro (yes Hyper-v capable but for specific reasons he doesn't want to use it, don't go down the rabbit hole) would have to create his first guest on KVM using Cockpit.
Once the VM is running through cockpit he could then use Virt-Viewer to access and manage the host.
Without reading the rest of the thread - this seems like a failure already. Why not? What's wrong with using a type 1 or Type 2 hypervisor to have a local VM on the primary machine the person is using - only reason I can think of - that the admin will frequently be moving computers or using a chromebook, so the tools for remote management won't generally be available. - but - then how do you remote into the management VM remotely? I guess that's why he specifically asked about VNC - because he feels that he can run that from anywhere to remote into the management VM?
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@Dashrender you went into why he doesn't want to do the very thing I said he doesn't want to do it.
Answer : Because he hates Hyper-V and doesn't want to go down the route of VBox etc. So we have to answer the question he has.
Which means: he needs to create a management VM on his host and access that using the least intrusive tool/solution possible.
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@DustinB3403 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
@Dashrender you went into why he doesn't want to do the very thing I said he doesn't want to do it.
Answer : Because he hates Hyper-V and doesn't want to go down the route of VBox etc. So we have to answer the question he has.
Which means: he needs to create a management VM on his host and access that using the least intrusive tool/solution possible.
I don't consider these reasonable for IT personal. there I said it.
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@Dashrender said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
I don't consider these reasonable for IT personal. there I said it.
What don't you consider reasonable? A management VM on-top of the hypervisor he is using or hating Hyper-V/vBox etc?
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@DustinB3403 said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
@Dashrender said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
I don't consider these reasonable for IT personal. there I said it.
What don't you consider reasonable? A management VM on-top of the hypervisor he is using or hating Hyper-V/vBox etc?
Reasons to not use them.
I gave perfectly sound reasons for using/having a management VM on a host. Of course, they don't matter if the host itself is hosed.
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@Dashrender said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
Reasons to not use them.
I'm still not following
@Dashrender said in Setting up a Fedora Workstation to Manage KVM with Virt-Manager - Remote access solutions:
I gave perfectly sound reasons for using/having a management VM on a host. Of course, they don't matter if the host itself is hosed.
Where?
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@Dashrender think of this as XOCE to XenServer/XCP-ng but with a desktop instead of a web interface.
Literally nothing different and is completely normal.
