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    Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

      @scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

      @Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

      @scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

      @Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

      @DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

      @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).

      No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.

      I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.

      Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?

      FFS did I say something that was confusing.

      This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.

      It is not the normal expectation.

      I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.

      I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.

      Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.

      It's not THAT bad these days.

      Normal users would have a hard time paying $100/yr for it - hell I can't get normals to pay $50/yr for offsite/online backups.

      Is it that much now? I don't think so.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        @Dashrender does your vendor support VDI since that is still Windows 10?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          With VDI, could users use thin clients or Chomebooks to dramatically lower end point costs?

          If so, is that worth it? Or are Windows endpoints better to lower the VDI costs?

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

            @Dashrender does your vendor support VDI since that is still Windows 10?

            They don't specifically say. I'm guessing it would be OK because each system would be 100% independent.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              Screenshot from 2019-02-06 16-24-31.png

              Platform to run on has no licensing cost if you don't want. Run on a normal server with KVM, Hyper-V, or Xen.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                @Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

                @scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

                @Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

                @DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:

                @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).

                No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.

                I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.

                Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?

                FFS did I say something that was confusing.

                This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.

                It is not the normal expectation.

                I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.

                I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.

                Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.

                There is, don't use Windows.

                did you miss the part where I said - normals?

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                  With VDI, could users use thin clients or Chomebooks to dramatically lower end point costs?

                  If so, is that worth it? Or are Windows endpoints better to lower the VDI costs?

                  This is actually something I thought I had tossed out there the other day - exactly this.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    For VDI with Windows, I believe that you only now need...

                    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/product-licensing/windows10?activetab=windows10-pivot%3Aprimaryr3

                    Windows 10 Pro with Software Assurance. Which is a one time cost of over $100, but an ongoing cost far less.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                      Screenshot from 2019-02-06 16-24-31.png

                      Platform to run on has no licensing cost if you don't want. Run on a normal server with KVM, Hyper-V, or Xen.

                      OK - so you've changed my original post in the thread to talk about something else - so now my answer/and train of thought is split.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          Is @Chris around to answer?

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                            VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.

                            Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr

                            VDI :
                            1 yr : $100
                            2 yr : $200
                            3 yr : $300
                            4 yr : $400
                            5 yr : $500
                            6 yr : $600
                            7 yr : $700

                            Windows 10 + SA
                            1 yr : $358
                            2 yr : $417
                            3 yr : $479
                            4 yr : $535
                            5 yr : $594
                            6 yr : $653
                            7 yr : $712

                            It takes more than 7 years before you overcome the cost of the initial license of Windows 10 pro.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                              VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.

                              Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr

                              $188 on Open License

                              That makes that lower overall.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                Still not super cheap, BUT, might pay for itself in seven year in hard IT costs anyway.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  So roughly, $600 over 7 years.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                    @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                    VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.

                                    Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr

                                    $188 on Open License

                                    That makes that lower overall.

                                    You can get the base license from Open License? You're the one that keeps saying you can't get anything but upgrade licenses from Open License/Value, etc.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                      So roughly, $600 over 7 years.

                                      The question then becomes - between cheap chrombook/Thin client devices for the users and the Server hardware on the back end - will it be cheaper? I have no idea.

                                      I don't understand how to build a VDI infrastructure - something I've never done before. Will I have performance issues? how much RAM do I need? etc, etc, etc.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                        @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                        VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.

                                        Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr

                                        $188 on Open License

                                        That makes that lower overall.

                                        You can get the base license from Open License? You're the one that keeps saying you can't get anything but upgrade licenses from Open License/Value, etc.

                                        Not the base, the base comes with your hardware (OEM). Then you get the upgrade from the VLSC.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                          @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                          @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                          VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.

                                          Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr

                                          $188 on Open License

                                          That makes that lower overall.

                                          You can get the base license from Open License? You're the one that keeps saying you can't get anything but upgrade licenses from Open License/Value, etc.

                                          Not the base, the base comes with your hardware (OEM). Then you get the upgrade from the VLSC.

                                          If I have a device that already comes with Windows 10 - why do I want VDI?

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:

                                            I don't understand how to build a VDI infrastructure - something I've never done before. Will I have performance issues? how much RAM do I need? etc, etc, etc.

                                            Nothing to it. Nothing at all. Just install individual Windows 10 VMs. That's it. Same as a desktop. It's literally the same as physical.

                                            Only gets complex with you start not talking about VDI, but proprietary "VDI add ons" like XenApp or whatever. Those are what cost money and make it hard... also great value from other things, not knocking them, just don't make any assumptions.

                                            Doing one to one, always on VDI is ridiculously easy. People just RDP to their private instance.

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