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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

      As it is Logitech is up against tons of competitors. Microsoft is one of them. So no shortage of competition, just watering down of profits and investment money.

      I see where you're coming from here - but how often do we see two goliaths heading an industry and innovation seems to stall - at least to the consumer.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

        @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

        As it is Logitech is up against tons of competitors. Microsoft is one of them. So no shortage of competition, just watering down of profits and investment money.

        I see where you're coming from here - but how often do we see two goliaths heading an industry and innovation seems to stall - at least to the consumer.

        Anytime consumers choose a product based on marketing rather than actual innovation.

        Consumers determine innovation's priority in an non-monopoly marketplace, not competition. Competition does not drive innovation because consumers don't buy based on innovation.

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

          consumers don't buy based on innovation

          I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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            @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

            @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

            consumers don't buy based on innovation

            I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

            What about new color aluminum?

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
              last edited by

              @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

              @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

              consumers don't buy based on innovation

              I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

              All consumers say that they do, but very few actually do. And even if a few do, it has to be the majority - enough to make innovation more profitable than advertising.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                consumers don't buy based on innovation

                I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

                What about new color aluminum?

                Sold.

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                • travisdh1T
                  travisdh1 @DustinB3403
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                  @DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                  @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                  consumers don't buy based on innovation

                  I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

                  What about new color aluminum?

                  Where's that clear aluminum Scotty promised all those years ago now?

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                    @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                    consumers don't buy based on innovation

                    I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

                    All consumers say that they do, but very few actually do. And even if a few do, it has to be the majority - enough to make innovation more profitable than advertising.

                    Or being able to market new innovative features or tech for an existing or new product...

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                      @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                      consumers don't buy based on innovation

                      I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

                      All consumers say that they do, but very few actually do. And even if a few do, it has to be the majority - enough to make innovation more profitable than advertising.

                      Or being able to market new innovative features or tech for an existing or new product...

                      No new features needed to market as if you have them. Just ask Apple.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        Nextcloud 15.0.0 RC 1 is out.

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                        • dafyreD
                          dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                          Nextcloud 15.0.0 RC 1 is out.

                          Is it just me, or have they moved quickly this go round? Seems like I just got 14 installed a couple of months ago.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @dafyre
                            last edited by

                            @dafyre said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                            Nextcloud 15.0.0 RC 1 is out.

                            Is it just me, or have they moved quickly this go round? Seems like I just got 14 installed a couple of months ago.

                            Yeah, although they've always moved quickly. They are only a few years old and already on 15!

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              Ubiquiti EdgeRouter 12 announced.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by JaredBusch

                                @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                Ubiquiti EdgeRouter 12 announced.

                                Has a switch chip built in (oddly on ports eth0 - eth7) and PoE pass-through. Both things are gimmicks IMO.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                  @JaredBusch agreed, and it is cheap, priced well below the EdgeRouter 8. I find the naming convention odd, you can't clearly tell how the 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 compare to each other. You just have to know the models.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    consumers don't buy based on innovation

                                    I do. Innovation can and does tend to lead to better products. Unless it's Apple. I don't consider a larger screen, extra button bar, or new color innovative. 😉

                                    All consumers say that they do, but very few actually do. And even if a few do, it has to be the majority - enough to make innovation more profitable than advertising.

                                    Or being able to market new innovative features or tech for an existing or new product...

                                    No new features needed to market as if you have them. Just ask Apple.

                                    Clearly that's not working so well for them now with the XS and XR - sales are terrible for them.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @JaredBusch
                                      last edited by

                                      @JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                      Ubiquiti EdgeRouter 12 announced.

                                      Has a switch chip built in (oddly on ports eth0 - eth7) and PoE pass-through. Both things are gimmicks IMO.

                                      0_1543269200275_6549d6df-659f-44c7-9580-f8b899ddef99-image.png

                                      Is there true isolation in ports 1-7 if you want it? or is this just a 5 port router with a switch hanging off one port?

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                        Ubiquiti EdgeRouter 12 announced.

                                        Has a switch chip built in (oddly on ports eth0 - eth7) and PoE pass-through. Both things are gimmicks IMO.

                                        0_1543269200275_6549d6df-659f-44c7-9580-f8b899ddef99-image.png

                                        Is there true isolation in ports 1-7 if you want it? or is this just a 5 port router with a switch hanging off one port?

                                        Yes, all EdgeRouter hardware is like that. You have to add the port to the switch chip.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                          @JaredBusch agreed, and it is cheap, priced well below the EdgeRouter 8.

                                          I get that, but idiots were already buyinghte ER8/ERPro and then complaining that they had to buy a switch.

                                          Yes, they make it because their market research told them it will sell. Not Ubiquiti's fault here. Just something that annoys me.

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                          I find the naming convention odd, you can't clearly tell how the 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 compare to each other. You just have to know the models.

                                          It is strictly by number of ethernet ports, so not really confusing that way. but yeah nothing in the name tells us it is the new chipset with super fast performance compared to the original chipset.

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