What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
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@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
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@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
And if the fee was BS - don't you think they should be sued?
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
And if the fee was BS - don't you think they should be sued?
They were forced to pay huge settlements at least one time I remember.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
What DB? Lol
You have to charge based on the end price including federal, state, local per tenant.
Ok the forms you don’t have to break out tenant info just count and fees remitted.
If it weren’t for this 499a requirement and 477 you could just pay it upstream and bill it as a a service plus sales tax. The taxes still got paid.
And because of this you got 10 to 20 hours of tax prep per month by a telco tax firm given your size, which also isn’t cheap.
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@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
What DB? Lol
You have to charge based on the end price including federal, state, local per tenant.
Ok the forms you don’t have to break out tenant info just count and fees remitted.
If it weren’t for this 499a requirement and 477 you could just pay it upstream and bill it as a a service plus sales tax. The taxes still got paid.
And because of this you got 10 to 20 hours of tax prep per month by a telco tax firm given your size, which also isn’t cheap.
But you're not alone, so everyone has to incur these fees. So what you're telling me that that the big boys were overcharging so much already that they just decided to eat the cost, where the small ISPs couldn't? I get that, that's a cost of being small.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
What DB? Lol
You have to charge based on the end price including federal, state, local per tenant.
Ok the forms you don’t have to break out tenant info just count and fees remitted.
If it weren’t for this 499a requirement and 477 you could just pay it upstream and bill it as a a service plus sales tax. The taxes still got paid.
And because of this you got 10 to 20 hours of tax prep per month by a telco tax firm given your size, which also isn’t cheap.
But you're not alone, so everyone has to incur these fees. So what you're telling me that that the big boys were overcharging so much already that they just decided to eat the cost, where the small ISPs couldn't? I get that, that's a cost of being small.
Correct,
But not to confuse “BS Fees” I was referring to actual fraudulent fees Verizon added
Pople.
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
What DB? Lol
You have to charge based on the end price including federal, state, local per tenant.
Ok the forms you don’t have to break out tenant info just count and fees remitted.
If it weren’t for this 499a requirement and 477 you could just pay it upstream and bill it as a a service plus sales tax. The taxes still got paid.
And because of this you got 10 to 20 hours of tax prep per month by a telco tax firm given your size, which also isn’t cheap.
But you're not alone, so everyone has to incur these fees. So what you're telling me that that the big boys were overcharging so much already that they just decided to eat the cost, where the small ISPs couldn't? I get that, that's a cost of being small.
Right,
But by “BS Fees” I meant Verizon was charging fraudulent fees.
Sales tax people understand.
Telecom tax people don’t, so in my opinion the fee reporting structure is also open to abuse, and has clearly been abused.
In addition it’s a pain in the ass lol
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@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
What DB? Lol
You have to charge based on the end price including federal, state, local per tenant.
Ok the forms you don’t have to break out tenant info just count and fees remitted.
If it weren’t for this 499a requirement and 477 you could just pay it upstream and bill it as a a service plus sales tax. The taxes still got paid.
And because of this you got 10 to 20 hours of tax prep per month by a telco tax firm given your size, which also isn’t cheap.
But you're not alone, so everyone has to incur these fees. So what you're telling me that that the big boys were overcharging so much already that they just decided to eat the cost, where the small ISPs couldn't? I get that, that's a cost of being small.
Correct,
But not to confuse “BS Fees” I was referring to actual fraudulent fees Verizon added
Pople.
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
With telecom there are some "truth in billing" things that seem like they are just there to make everyone crazy.
Depending on which telecom lawyer you ask you will get a different answer about what to do.
Examples?
It means you have to break out all the taxes and fees the same way you break out sales tax. USF fees are optional to breakout but you have to charge exact amounts and label them as the exact amount you paid.
Before this you may remember Verizon getting sued several times over BS "Recovery fees".
But the whole thing costs so much to bill, track and report that its a nightmare.
Really? It does? Why does it? Don't you already have to track these fees to pay them to their respective companies/gov't agencies anyhow? How hard is it to pull that data from a DB to include on the bill?
What DB? Lol
You have to charge based on the end price including federal, state, local per tenant.
Ok the forms you don’t have to break out tenant info just count and fees remitted.
If it weren’t for this 499a requirement and 477 you could just pay it upstream and bill it as a a service plus sales tax. The taxes still got paid.
And because of this you got 10 to 20 hours of tax prep per month by a telco tax firm given your size, which also isn’t cheap.
But you're not alone, so everyone has to incur these fees. So what you're telling me that that the big boys were overcharging so much already that they just decided to eat the cost, where the small ISPs couldn't? I get that, that's a cost of being small.
Right,
But by “BS Fees” I meant Verizon was charging fraudulent fees.
Sales tax people understand.
Telecom tax people don’t, so in my opinion the fee reporting structure is also open to abuse, and has clearly been abused.
In addition it’s a pain in the ass lol
most things these days seem to have a half dozen or so taxes on them.. WTF.. /sigh
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@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
As far as I know, sales tax is the only one not built in. Cigarettes and booze have their non sales tax baked in.
Question, is there sales tax on gasoline? I assume there is and for whatever reason it’s just baked in...
What makes it sales vs. non-sales tax? Are cigarette and alcohol taxes collected prior to sale time (easily they are, I've never sold either.) If they have non-sales tax baked in, isn't that defeating any goals of making sales tax visible?
Cigarette have tax stamps paid for before sale.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Just like in the US, just not 50/50. In the US there is no labelling rule. So we assume no tax, except that's not true. On gas, for example, you always assume taxes have been added in. Cigarettes is like part added in and part not.
As far as I know, sales tax is the only one not built in. Cigarettes and booze have their non sales tax baked in.
Question, is there sales tax on gasoline? I assume there is and for whatever reason it’s just baked in...
What makes it sales vs. non-sales tax? Are cigarette and alcohol taxes collected prior to sale time (easily they are, I've never sold either.) If they have non-sales tax baked in, isn't that defeating any goals of making sales tax visible?
Cigarette have tax stamps paid for before sale.
And there are signs about cigarette bootlegging when you cross into Illinois from Missouri.
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I thought this was interesting... ( It is long, but gives historical and informational reference to the issue.)
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BREAKING: Senator Chuck Schumer says there will be a Senate Vote to overturn the FCC's ruling on Net Neutrality -- Only a simple majority will be required to overturn the ruling.
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Which this is a good thing, of course Trump could just veto this overturn ruling even of it passes the House and Senate.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Which this is a good thing, of course Trump could just veto this overturn ruling even of it passes the House and Senate.
Which, given the current political climate, it won't.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
BREAKING: Senator Chuck Schumer says there will be a Senate Vote to overturn the FCC's ruling on Net Neutrality -- Only a simple majority will be required to overturn the ruling.
Sadly, he needs a majority but the R have the majority and don't want to vote against the companies that have them in their pockets. And there is no point to doing so as this was Trump's boi in the FCC and Trump has veto. So while CHuck is doing a good thing, it won't make any difference.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@wirestyle22 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
BREAKING: Senator Chuck Schumer says there will be a Senate Vote to overturn the FCC's ruling on Net Neutrality -- Only a simple majority will be required to overturn the ruling.
Sadly, he needs a majority but the R have the majority and don't want to vote against the companies that have them in their pockets. And there is no point to doing so as this was Trump's boi in the FCC and Trump has veto. So while CHuck is doing a good thing, it won't make any difference.
It's posturing. Seems more like he knows it won't work and is just prepping for 2018 at this point.
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@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@wirestyle22 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
BREAKING: Senator Chuck Schumer says there will be a Senate Vote to overturn the FCC's ruling on Net Neutrality -- Only a simple majority will be required to overturn the ruling.
Sadly, he needs a majority but the R have the majority and don't want to vote against the companies that have them in their pockets. And there is no point to doing so as this was Trump's boi in the FCC and Trump has veto. So while CHuck is doing a good thing, it won't make any difference.
It's posturing. Seems more like he knows it won't work and is just prepping for 2018 at this point.
He and Booker are top considerations for president so, very likely.
