Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development
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On this blog https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/07/13/fedora-workstation-26-is-out/#comments
I asked: F26 on a MacBookPro: When can we expect better performance in the power management specifically “suspend when you close lid”?
I would love to switch 100% to Fedora but issues like that on the laptop prevent that.He replied: We are looking to improve the state here and are talking to various vendors about how to improve collaboration around things like battery life.
That said for an outright linux-hostile hardware vendor like Apple it is next to impossible to get to a good state in terms of being able to promise users that hardware from that vendor is going to work well.
So yes power management needs to be improved and we are working on that, but also users need to accept that there will be linux friendly hardware vendors like Dell or System76 they need to buy from and not from a hardware vendor that has zero interest or is outright hostile to Linux working well on their system. -
@fateknollogee said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
On this blog https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/07/13/fedora-workstation-26-is-out/#comments
I asked: F26 on a MacBookPro: When can we expect better performance in the power management specifically “suspend when you close lid”?
I would love to switch 100% to Fedora but issues like that on the laptop prevent that.He replied: We are looking to improve the state here and are talking to various vendors about how to improve collaboration around things like battery life.
That said for an outright linux-hostile hardware vendor like Apple it is next to impossible to get to a good state in terms of being able to promise users that hardware from that vendor is going to work well.
So yes power management needs to be improved and we are working on that, but also users need to accept that there will be linux friendly hardware vendors like Dell or System76 they need to buy from and not from a hardware vendor that has zero interest or is outright hostile to Linux working well on their system.Makes sense. That's why System76 looks so interesting to me. Hardware gets great reviews and I want to support them.
If Dell was making a reasonable XPS 13, I'd seriously consider that, of course.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
I need to get a new laptop and I need something that is powerful, fast, light and tiny. I know, hard to get. It looks like both Asus and Dell used to make things like this. But it appears more and more that both have abandoned these product lines. I'm not sure how that happens, but what is out there?
I really like the looks of the Asus UX390UA, but it came out last October and appears to have already been dropped: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ASUS-ZenBook-3-UX390UA/Features/
Dell XPS 13 seems okay, but you can't get 16GB of RAM on it. Really? And it doesn't have as fast of RAM as the Asus did a year ago. Seems like an older product.
MacBook Air is stuck on Intel Gen 5, while Asus is on 7 and Dell has at least one on 8 now. So also seems like Apple has left the product behind.
Is anyone making a good, actually purchasable, ultrabook in the 12.5 - 13.3" size category, 16GB, SSD, Kaby Lake or later proc (AMD okay) that hopefully even runs Linux? I'm not a laptop guy and am not even sure where to look. Going directly to vendors seems to net me nothing. Asus' website, for example, is completely useless.
Sounds like my free backup software question, lol.
Anyways,
Surface Laptop (i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD) $1,988.99
Razer Blade Stealth (i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD) $1,600? $2,000Only realistic choices I can find for what you are looking for.
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What about this one: https://www.msi.com/Workstation/WS63-7RK.html
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@nadnerb said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
What about this one: https://www.msi.com/Workstation/WS63-7RK.html
15.6". That's way bigger than the 13.3" upper limit that I'm shooting for.
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@nadnerb said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
Inspiron 13 7000
Specs: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/inspiron-13-7370-laptop/dncwka005h?oc=dncwka005h&l=en&s=dhsNow that is looking seriously promising. Why is it so cheap?
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That 8th gen processor is awesome.
8th Generation Intel Core i7-8550U Processor (8MB Cache, up to 4.0 GHz)
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The new PixelBook ?
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@nadnerb said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
Inspiron 13 7000
Specs: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/inspiron-13-7370-laptop/dncwka005h?oc=dncwka005h&l=en&s=dhsI've just got a 5000 series of this and already love it. Its only the i5 model and we had to buy an 8gb module separate to get it to 16gb.
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@hobbit666 said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@nadnerb said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
Inspiron 13 7000
Specs: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/inspiron-13-7370-laptop/dncwka005h?oc=dncwka005h&l=en&s=dhsI've just got a 5000 series of this and already love it. Its only the i5 model and we had to buy an 8gb module separate to get it to 16gb.
Dual booting with win10 and kali linuxNice, and no issues with the Linux install?
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@scottalanmiller installed fine all drivers look like they work fine.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
If Dell was making a reasonable XPS 13, I'd seriously consider that, of course.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-13/spd/xps-13-9360-laptop
This isn't a real product? I put one in my cart and it says it's shipping in 7-9 days... Click the right arrow over at the top and you can see more configurations, one being 16GB RAM, i7, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
I'd go with the galago pro if you need the performance. A bit on the pricey side, but worth it for what you can add into it.
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@scottalanmiller Provably incorrect
Here is a screen shot of 4 different xps developer editions in the Dell store.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@nadnerb said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
Inspiron 13 7000
Specs: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/inspiron-13-7370-laptop/dncwka005h?oc=dncwka005h&l=en&s=dhsNow that is looking seriously promising. Why is it so cheap?
They are the throwawayables. Less than consumer grade. I don't even have to look at the Amazon reviews to know there will be a lot of bad ones. If you want to buy a new one every 6-9 months due to bad quality... sure then it's worth it.
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@bnrstnr said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
If Dell was making a reasonable XPS 13, I'd seriously consider that, of course.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-13/spd/xps-13-9360-laptop
This isn't a real product? I put one in my cart and it says it's shipping in 7-9 days... Click the right arrow over at the top and you can see more configurations, one being 16GB RAM, i7, etc.
OMG, worst site ever. I've spent so much time using different paths to bad Dell data. Okay, with that extra info, there is an XPS that you can buy that does have 16GB of RAM, but it has only half the CPU power of the Inspiron that comes with a generation newer CPU at less then two thirds the cost. The XPS looks to be left over stock and the price is just absurd. If I was shocked by the low cost of the Inspiron, now I'm shocked by the high cost of the XPS.
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@momurda said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@scottalanmiller Provably incorrect
Here is a screen shot of 4 different xps developer editions in the Dell store.
You can even customize them.I tried customizing those, and 16GB of RAM wasn't available.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@bnrstnr said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
If Dell was making a reasonable XPS 13, I'd seriously consider that, of course.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-13/spd/xps-13-9360-laptop
This isn't a real product? I put one in my cart and it says it's shipping in 7-9 days... Click the right arrow over at the top and you can see more configurations, one being 16GB RAM, i7, etc.
OMG, worst site ever. I've spent so much time using different paths to bad Dell data. Okay, with that extra info, there is an XPS that you can buy that does have 16GB of RAM, but it has only half the CPU power of the Inspiron that comes with a generation newer CPU at less then two thirds the cost. The XPS looks to be left over stock and the price is just absurd. If I was shocked by the low cost of the Inspiron, now I'm shocked by the high cost of the XPS.
That's because that appears to be an older model. I think all the new XPS 13" laptops are now 2-in-1s.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/xps-13-9365-2-in-1-laptop?~ck=mn
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@coliver said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@bnrstnr said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for an Ultrabook for Linux and Development:
If Dell was making a reasonable XPS 13, I'd seriously consider that, of course.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-13/spd/xps-13-9360-laptop
This isn't a real product? I put one in my cart and it says it's shipping in 7-9 days... Click the right arrow over at the top and you can see more configurations, one being 16GB RAM, i7, etc.
OMG, worst site ever. I've spent so much time using different paths to bad Dell data. Okay, with that extra info, there is an XPS that you can buy that does have 16GB of RAM, but it has only half the CPU power of the Inspiron that comes with a generation newer CPU at less then two thirds the cost. The XPS looks to be left over stock and the price is just absurd. If I was shocked by the low cost of the Inspiron, now I'm shocked by the high cost of the XPS.
That's because that appears to be an older model. I think all the new XPS 13" laptops are now 2-in-1s.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/xps-13-9365-2-in-1-laptop?~ck=mn
Same issues there. All of those are 7th Gen, whereas at least one (and only one) of the newer ones is 8th Gen. The weird availability of specs on the XPS are so confusing. Why is there only one model with 16GB, and why only one with the upgraded processor, and why can't you get the two together?
