XenServer hyperconverged
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@r3dpand4 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@olivier So you only gain in capacity scaling in 2's? Again as I mentioned earlier I'm curious how the Write suspension functions during failure....
Write are suspended few secs, works fine. Tested on Linux and Windows VMs.
@dashrender said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dashrender As far you don't lose a complete mirror (2 hosts on the same pair), no problem. So on 8 nodes, it means up to 4 hosts if there in one by mirror.
and what happens if you do loose an entire mirrored pair?
If you lose an entire mirror pair, it's like in RAID10: you will lose data.
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingNope, it will be a dedicated pricing, per pool, without number of hosts or disk space limitations.
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@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingI believe it was mentioned as being a separate price entirely. So you can get XOA with or without XOSAN.
XOA Free at least to get XOSAN (you need XOA to deploy and manage it).
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingI believe it was mentioned as being a separate price entirely. So you can get XOA with or without XOSAN.
XOA Free at least to get XOSAN (you need XOA to deploy and manage it).
So with XOA Free you can get XOSAN?
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Nope, it will be a dedicated pricing, per pool, without number of hosts or disk space limitations.
When will pricing be available?
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@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
So with XOA Free you can get XOSAN?
Yes, XOA Free + paid XOSAN will work.
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
When will pricing be available?
It's a matter of weeks.
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
So with XOA Free you can get XOSAN?
Yes, XOA Free + paid XOSAN will work.
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
When will pricing be available?
It's a matter of weeks.
So then when will the community edition get XOSAN?
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@olivier We're talking about node failure where you're replacing hardware correct?
"On a 2 node setup, there is an arbiter VM that acts like the witness. If you lose the host with the 2x VMs (one arbiter and one "normal"), you'll go in read only."
So are Writes suspended until the 2nd node is brought back online and introduced to the XOSAN? Obviously that's going to be a lot longer than a few seconds even if you're talking about scaling outside of a 2 node cluster. Do you mean that Writes are suspended or cached in the event of a failure while Host is shutting down and then Writes resume as normal on the Active node? If this is the case when the new Host is introduced to the cluster the replication resumes, correct? -
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
So with XOA Free you can get XOSAN?
Yes.
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
When will pricing be available?
It's a matter of weeks.
So then when will the community edition get XOSAN?
Not like this. We'll open source the gluster driver, to allow people to make their own solution (hyperconverged or not). But it won't be turnkey.
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Are the hosts shown in your example using HW or software RAID?
What is preferred, HW or software RAID?
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@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Are the hosts shown in your example using HW or software RAID?
What is preferred, HW or software RAID?
Based on the blog post I'm guessing HW raid
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@r3dpand4 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@olivier We're talking about node failure where you're replacing hardware correct?
"On a 2 node setup, there is an arbiter VM that acts like the witness. If you lose the host with the 2x VMs (one arbiter and one "normal"), you'll go in read only."
So are Writes suspended until the 2nd node is brought back online and introduced to the XOSAN? Obviously that's going to be a lot longer than a few seconds even if you're talking about scaling outside of a 2 node cluster. Do you mean that Writes are suspended or cached in the event of a failure while Host is shutting down and then Writes resume as normal on the Active node? If this is the case when the new Host is introduced to the cluster the replication resumes, correct?Nope, writes are suspended when a node is down (time for system to know what to do). If there is enough nodes to continue, writes are resumed after being paused few secs. If there isn't enough nodes to continue, it will be then in read only.
Let's imagine you have 2x2 (distributed-replicated). You lose one XenServer host in the first mirror. After few secs, writes are back without having any service failed. Then, when you'll replace the faulty node, this fresh node will "keep up" the missing data in the mirror, but your VM won't notice it (healing status).
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@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Are the hosts shown in your example using HW or software RAID?
What is preferred, HW or software RAID?
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Are the hosts shown in your example using HW or software RAID?
What is preferred, HW or software RAID?
Based on the blog post I'm guessing HW raid
It's not that easy to answer. Phase III will bring multi-disk capability on each host (and even tiering). So it means you could use any number of disks on each hosts to make inception-like scenario (replication on host level + on cluster level). But obviously, hardware raid is perfectly fine too
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During an event where a host goes down, and for that brief time period where writes are paused, are those writes cached and then written once the system determines what to do?
Or are those writes lost?
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@olivier Thank you for clarifying, I'm assuming this would apply principally at least the same to a 2 node cluster? One goes down, writes are briefly suspended, writes resume on the Active node, failed node is replaced, then rebuild/healing process continues on the New node. How long are you expecting for rebuilds? I'm sure that's a loaded question because it's data dependent.....
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@dustinb3403 No writes are lost, it's handled on your VM level (VM OS wait for "ack" of virtual HDD but it's not answering, so it waits). Basically, cluster said: "writes command won't be answered as long as we figured it out".
So it's safe
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@r3dpand4 This is a good question. We made the choice to use "sharding", which means making blocks of 512MB for your data to be replicated or spread.
So the heal time will be time to fetch all new/missing 512MB blocks of data since node was down. It's pretty fast on the tests I've done.
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@olivier So essentially just deduplication?
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@r3dpand4 That has nothing to do with deduplication. There is just chunks of files replicated or distributed-replicated (or even disperse for disperse mode).
By the way, nobody talks about this mode, but it's my favorite
Especially for large HDD, it's perfect. Thanks to the ability to lose any of n disk in your cluster. Eg with 6 nodes:
This is disperse 6 with redundancy 2 (like RAID6 if you prefer). Any 2 XenServer hosts can be destroyed, it will continue to work as usual:
And in this case (6 with redundancy of 2), you'll be able to address 4/6th of your total disk space!
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Here it is with improved pics of XOSAN, I suppose it's more clear now:
What do you think?
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@olivier That picture helps make it way more clear.
Each server is providing 100GB and either are standalone systems (disperse) or are paired (dist. repl).
