5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available
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@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
That is a real concern I have as well. That it will just disappear.
Unlikely. There is big money on the table for someone to pick up and support that code base. I'd say 80% chance of protection based on that alone. If they went under, I'd stake it at 20% chance that I'd be involved in picking up the code base. Certainly something I'd strongly consider.
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@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
The dev team has a very odd business approach, where they make it difficult for anyone to justify the cost monthly for support, when you can do everything with the open source version with community support.
Yup, if it was me running the show (with the benefits of American style financing) I'd eliminate XOA off the bat, go to straight XO, roll everything in, make it a Snap deployment and only sell support.
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@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
Yet there is this constant issue that XS is such a tiny community compared to everything else that keeps getting repeated.
That's probably the first development effort I'd put resources on, making it no longer tied to XenServer. And change the name to reflect that.
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@FATeknollogee said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
I even asked the folks at XO, instead of the Ferrari edition at $500/mo, why not for less, offer a Backup/DR version that had just those features - backup & replication (no self service, no init etc)..that's a SKU IT folks can sell to their clients
I did, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@FATeknollogee said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
I even asked the folks at XO, instead of the Ferrari edition at $500/mo, why not for less, offer a Backup/DR version that had just those features - backup & replication (no self service, no init etc)..that's a SKU IT folks can sell to their clients
I did, too.
Did they take your advice? (where is that sarcasm emoji when you need it)
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I asked Olivier himself and he said it was cost prohibitive for him to do so.
Which is a lot like saying "It cost us to much to take your money"
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@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
I asked Olivier himself and he said it was cost prohibitive for him to do so.
Which is a lot like saying "It cost us to much to take your money"
Ha, KVM is looking pretty good these days.
Someone eventually will have an "XOA" style offering for KVM. -
@FATeknollogee said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@FATeknollogee said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
I even asked the folks at XO, instead of the Ferrari edition at $500/mo, why not for less, offer a Backup/DR version that had just those features - backup & replication (no self service, no init etc)..that's a SKU IT folks can sell to their clients
I did, too.
Did they take your advice? (where is that sarcasm emoji when you need it)
Nope
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@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
I asked Olivier himself and he said it was cost prohibitive for him to do so.
Which is a lot like saying "It cost us to much to take your money"
It's more that they are in Europe and have European financing and they have existing customers and costs. All things that don't encumber a new company taking over if they fail. This isn't helpful for them as a vendor, but it is helpful for customers to have faith in the product. Someone taking over the code base doesn't have that risk and can do things completely differently.
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@FATeknollogee said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
I asked Olivier himself and he said it was cost prohibitive for him to do so.
Which is a lot like saying "It cost us to much to take your money"
Ha, KVM is looking pretty good these days.
Someone eventually will have an "XOA" style offering for KVM.I know someone talking about this, too.
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I mean, I took his installation steps, cleaned them up, made a simple installation process, scott scripted it, and it's been in development (with an updater) since then.
I know at least 20 people who have messaged me directly or through ML/SW saying "OMG thank you all I needed was backup and basic management capabilities but couldn't justify the cost"
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@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
Ha, KVM is looking pretty good these days.
Someone eventually will have an "XOA" style offering for KVM.I know someone talking about this, too.
Is it in beta yet (maybe alpha)?
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@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
It's more that they are in Europe and have European financing and they have existing customers and costs. All things that don't encumber a new company taking over if they fail. This isn't helpful for them as a vendor, but it is helpful for customers to have faith in the product. Someone taking over the code base doesn't have that risk and can do things completely differently.
The point is still that even if they created different pricing models and migrated their existing customers off that they would be able to grow more easily.
Flat out saying it "cost to much to take your money" is literally turning customers away.
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@Breffni-Potter said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
ZoHo products leave much to be desired.
Why is a third party manager for Hyper-V needed?
I love their mail. It's pretty feature rich for free.
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@stacksofplates Way to bring the thread back on track . .
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@FATeknollogee said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
Ha, KVM is looking pretty good these days.
Someone eventually will have an "XOA" style offering for KVM.I know someone talking about this, too.
Is it in beta yet (maybe alpha)?
No
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@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
Flat out saying it "cost to much to take your money" is literally turning customers away.
It is, but it is also turning away small customers that might not be profitable and what they have to consider is the risk that this poses to bigger customers. I don't agree with the approach, but they have sound logic for why they do what they do. All customers are not good customers.
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@wirestyle22 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@Breffni-Potter said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@wirestyle22 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@Breffni-Potter said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@scottalanmiller said
For MSPs, for example, things like XO are godsends. Centralized management for multiple installations, no need for Windows licensing just for a GUI interface, etc.
Oh I'd happily be a XO user if Xen itself was not the ugly step sister of the VM world. Some of the stuff it is doing is just too special to really throw it into the mix of offerings, so its hyper-v or (heaven help us) VMWare.
What about KVM?
KVM doesn't have anything like XO afaik
That's a single pane of glass for everything?
It is but you need a Linux box to run it. Now I could be 100% wrong, but just from using KVM with CLI I wager is much easier to use libvirt with KVM than powershell with Hyper-V. I can get a console on ttyS0 just through the cli on the host.
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@stacksofplates said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@wirestyle22 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@Breffni-Potter said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@wirestyle22 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@Breffni-Potter said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@scottalanmiller said
For MSPs, for example, things like XO are godsends. Centralized management for multiple installations, no need for Windows licensing just for a GUI interface, etc.
Oh I'd happily be a XO user if Xen itself was not the ugly step sister of the VM world. Some of the stuff it is doing is just too special to really throw it into the mix of offerings, so its hyper-v or (heaven help us) VMWare.
What about KVM?
KVM doesn't have anything like XO afaik
That's a single pane of glass for everything?
It is but you need a Linux box to run it. Now I could be 100% wrong, but just from using KVM with CLI I wager is much easier to use libvirt with KVM than powershell with Hyper-V. I can get a console on ttyS0 just through the cli on the host.
Everything on Linux is easier than on Windows. Stuff like this tends to be dramatically easier. There must be exceptions, but I never find them.
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@scottalanmiller said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
@DustinB3403 said in 5Nine Free Hyper-V Manager No Long Available:
Flat out saying it "cost to much to take your money" is literally turning customers away.
It is, but it is also turning away small customers that might not be profitable and what they have to consider is the risk that this poses to bigger customers. I don't agree with the approach, but they have sound logic for why they do what they do. All customers are not good customers.
If I remember the conversation correctly (we went through all of this with @olivier on a ML thread) that was the crux of it, that it cost too much to support the smaller clients, since they don't have that many people.
