the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem
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@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@scottalanmiller of course, if a few phones will be moved to VoIP I will consider injectors, but if the entire network has to be redefined, POE+ switches turn to be cheaper and better manageable than ~40 local injectors.
Yes, although it depends heavily on the phones that you choose. We used to buy phones that came with AC adapters in the box. So PoE was more expensive. These days, that is less and less common, but keep it in mind that the PoE might turn out to be purely an additional cost.
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@scottalanmiller thanks for the hint!
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@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@scottalanmiller of course, if a few phones will be moved to VoIP I will consider injectors, but if the entire network has to be redefined, POE+ switches turn to be cheaper and better manageable than ~40 local injectors.
If you need new switches this can be a good excuse to do it. But as much as I hate to admit it the adapters can be far cheaper
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@MattSpeller a number of new switches were in order, but if I have to revert ALL phones to LAN, well this more or less doubles our ports requirements, therefore the required switches.
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@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@MattSpeller a number of new switches were in order, but if I have to revert ALL phones to LAN, well this more or less doubles our ports requirements, therefore the required switches.
They do make phones with a built in switch, something to ponder perhaps. We have ancient Mitel phones that have a 100mb switch in them and they have been rock solid much to my surprise.
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@MattSpeller yes, this is another option too but batch in order had not so many POE ports and nowdays most phones has POE. Anyway still waiting for a compatibility list, maybe we can simply go the AC adapter way.
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@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@MattSpeller yes, this is another option too but batch in order had not so many POE ports and nowdays most phones has POE. Anyway still waything for a compatibility list, maybe we can simply go the AC adapter way.
While it's still up in the air go check your network closet and make sure you have enough power to run enough PoE switches. This was the cause of an expensive visit from an electrician for us.
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You need to stop worrying about additional cost, it's not your money. The company has decided, period. Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff. And if you have any influence in purchasing decisions, why won't you recommend switches that you want to play with? You're leaving in about a year, so why would you care if they buy POE switches or use power bricks.
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And if they don't want to buy what is needed... they can sit around without working phones
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@MattSpeller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@MattSpeller yes, this is another option too but batch in order had not so many POE ports and nowdays most phones has POE. Anyway still waything for a compatibility list, maybe we can simply go the AC adapter way.
While it's still up in the air go check your network closet and make sure you have enough power to run enough PoE switches. This was the cause of an expensive visit from an electrician for us.
Not a bad idea.
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@MattSpeller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@MattSpeller a number of new switches were in order, but if I have to revert ALL phones to LAN, well this more or less doubles our ports requirements, therefore the required switches.
They do make phones with a built in switch, something to ponder perhaps. We have ancient Mitel phones that have a 100mb switch in them and they have been rock solid much to my surprise.
Most are GigE these days. But there are 100Mb/s ones lingering.
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@MattSpeller we have production plants, electric power is the last problem. even the smallest closet is reached by ludicrous power with oversized cabling (just in case). I'm theoretically able to put a milling machine in any corner of the company (infact we have 6 of them).
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@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
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@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
Then it's just an opportunity to chill and enjoy having telephony off of your plate
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@scottalanmiller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
Then it's just an opportunity to chill and enjoy having telephony off of your plate
not the way I do things. usually I try to plan them. and I also tend to fail miserably. but at least I try to make a plan not buy a solution and then create a problem to apply it!
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@StrongBad said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@MattSpeller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@MattSpeller a number of new switches were in order, but if I have to revert ALL phones to LAN, well this more or less doubles our ports requirements, therefore the required switches.
They do make phones with a built in switch, something to ponder perhaps. We have ancient Mitel phones that have a 100mb switch in them and they have been rock solid much to my surprise.
Most are GigE these days. But there are 100Mb/s ones lingering.
This is completely not true. Almost every manufacturer offers a gigabit model, but by far the most sold models are the fast ethernet because the price difference is generally 50 bucks.
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@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@scottalanmiller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
Then it's just an opportunity to chill and enjoy having telephony off of your plate
not the way I do things. usually I try to plan them. and I also tend to fail miserably. but at least I try to make a plan not buy a solution and then create a problem to apply it!
You do things wrong it's not your job. Your job is to do what the business says. Or if you're an actual decision maker your job is to make a decision if it's good for the business not how you do it in quotes
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@JaredBusch said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@scottalanmiller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
Then it's just an opportunity to chill and enjoy having telephony off of your plate
not the way I do things. usually I try to plan them. and I also tend to fail miserably. but at least I try to make a plan not buy a solution and then create a problem to apply it!
You do things wrong it's not your job. Your job is to do what the business says. Or if you're an actual decision maker your job is to make a decision if it's good for the business not how you do it in quotes
that's the point: I'm used to take decisions or at least being consulted before. not to be thrown into other's wrong decisions - against my advice - and then being asked to solve the problem. I'm employed here I'm asked to evaluate tech and solutions, but then I'm simply discarded if the toy is soooo cute!
also I'm asked to solve by simply paying someone else to actually solve it. I'm now just a proxy for "automatic" problem solving. this is also why I want to leave but this is another story. -
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@JaredBusch said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@scottalanmiller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
Then it's just an opportunity to chill and enjoy having telephony off of your plate
not the way I do things. usually I try to plan them. and I also tend to fail miserably. but at least I try to make a plan not buy a solution and then create a problem to apply it!
You do things wrong it's not your job. Your job is to do what the business says. Or if you're an actual decision maker your job is to make a decision if it's good for the business not how you do it in quotes
that's the point: I'm used to take decisions or at least being consulted before. not to be thrown into other's wrong decisions - against my advice - and then being asked to solve the problem. also simply by paying someone else to actually solve it. I'm now just a proxy for "automatic" problem solving. this is also why I want to leave but this is another story.
They've moved you from the IT to the IT Buyer position.
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@scottalanmiller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@JaredBusch said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@scottalanmiller said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@matteo-nunziati said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
@marcinozga said in the missing VoIP, the ERP and the solution in search of a problem:
Use this as an opportunity to learn some new stuff.
impossible: the PBX is fully operated by the supplier. period. the only interesting thing was to understand how to not nuke a plant while introducing VoIP tech in it.
Then it's just an opportunity to chill and enjoy having telephony off of your plate
not the way I do things. usually I try to plan them. and I also tend to fail miserably. but at least I try to make a plan not buy a solution and then create a problem to apply it!
You do things wrong it's not your job. Your job is to do what the business says. Or if you're an actual decision maker your job is to make a decision if it's good for the business not how you do it in quotes
that's the point: I'm used to take decisions or at least being consulted before. not to be thrown into other's wrong decisions - against my advice - and then being asked to solve the problem. also simply by paying someone else to actually solve it. I'm now just a proxy for "automatic" problem solving. this is also why I want to leave but this is another story.
They've moved you from the IT to the IT Buyer position.
well consider the situation they moved me to the magic wand position
