What Are You Doing Right Now
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Went down the hill for groceries. Stopped into the Ubiquiti shop. They have APs but no routers. I need to ask them if they can order one for me. Got some gelato on the walk home.
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Why do people keep using silly terms like "database application"? WTF do they think that they are saying?
Database management systems (like SQL Server or MySQL) are definitely applications, but that doesn't appear to be what they mean.
Business applications always need to store their data in a database, as opposed to Minesweeper or the calculator that store no data. So seems redundant to mention databases in conjunction with talking about a business app.
What does "database application" mean to people who use this term?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do people keep using silly terms like "database application"? WTF do they think that they are saying?
Database management systems (like SQL Server or MySQL) are definitely applications, but that doesn't appear to be what they mean.
Business applications always need to store their data in a database, as opposed to Minesweeper or the calculator that store no data. So seems redundant to mention databases in conjunction with talking about a business app.
What does "database application" mean to people who use this term?
Is Word or Excel a database backed application? I guess most websites are one today.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do people keep using silly terms like "database application"? WTF do they think that they are saying?
Database management systems (like SQL Server or MySQL) are definitely applications, but that doesn't appear to be what they mean.
Business applications always need to store their data in a database, as opposed to Minesweeper or the calculator that store no data. So seems redundant to mention databases in conjunction with talking about a business app.
What does "database application" mean to people who use this term?
Is Word or Excel a database backed application? I guess most websites are one today.
In a way, yes. But you don't run those as a server workload, which is the context that I left out that I just say. He was mentioning the things that run on his server. Excel is certainly database backed, it uses DB format by default and can use massive relational databases, too!
Word is more "is this really a database", and I agree it's a grey area and probably the answer is no. But it's a desktop app, not a server one.
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What term would you prefer? Database backed application? or just application since you assume any business wanting an app will have a DB on the backend?
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As for why they say this, because they simply don't know any better, and I'm guessing, because they know they want a database, they know they want an application - so I'm guessing they are just merging those two things into database application, instead of database backed application.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What term would you prefer? Database backed application? or just application since you assume any business wanting an app will have a DB on the backend?
Either is fine. Just application is more than enough. Database backed application is better than "database application" because it means something specific and not just a term that people have to ask for clarification on.
Here is where it gets tough for people....
Is Spiceworks a database, a database application, a database backed application or an application plus a database?
See it's confusing because most people assume that databases are something that you install and run, but that's not what a database is. SQL Server is an RDBMS, not a database. It manages the databases. Databases are just a file or group of files. Spiceworks uses the SQLite file format (yes, it's just a file format.) So Spiceworks itself is the RDBMS in this case, so it is truly a database application in every sense of the word - moreso than what people would normally mean.
If you have a business app that talks to SQL Server.... it's SQL Server that is the "database application", not the business app. See why the terms are confusing? MDB is the database, SQL Server is the RDBMS (database application) and the application is just an application that talks to a database application.
SpiceWorks, however, uses the database (file) directly.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
As for why they say this, because they simply don't know any better....
That's what people say, but I don't understand it. If you don't know any better, where does the term come from and why?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
so I'm guessing they are just merging those two things into database application, instead of database backed application.
But it seems like they'd just mention that they have an application and that they have a database (system). Know what I mean? Making up a new term that doesn't reflect anything they've experienced isn't a natural result regardless of how little knowledge or experience someone has.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
so I'm guessing they are just merging those two things into database application, instead of database backed application.
But it seems like they'd just mention that they have an application and that they have a database (system). Know what I mean? Making up a new term that doesn't reflect anything they've experienced isn't a natural result regardless of how little knowledge or experience someone has.
Why would a normal person have any exposure to the DB itself - why would they know they have it? If we stretch that a bit for SW users, OK so they've been exposed in one way or another that there is a DB, but knowing that's it's not part of the application itself, like it is in SW, is not something most IT Buyers would know.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why would a normal person have any exposure to the DB itself - why would they know they have it?
Because they work in IT and this is like end user level knowledge?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we stretch that a bit for SW users, OK so they've been exposed in one way or another that there is a DB, but knowing that's it's not part of the application itself, like it is in SW, is not something most IT Buyers would know.
Even someone buying IT should know what a database is. This is pretty basic stuff. The differences between types, when to choose one and that sort of thing, that's edging into IT knowledge. But that a database stores your data and things talk to it to get data in and out is definitely not IT knowledge alone.
In something like SW, everyone would know that it doesn't talk to an RDBMS that has used it because when you install it, you don't install the database application for it to talk to.
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Trying to look at EdgeRouter VPN issues
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Southbound this morning.
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And dealing with this.
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hey mom - I mean @Minion-Queen my thread was locked.. I'm going to pout.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
And Charter says hey we can have a technician out by 3 PM.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
And Charter says hey we can have a technician out by 3 PM.
Hey, at least they gave you a timeframe.. I got jack shit.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
hey mom - I mean @Minion-Queen my thread was locked.. I'm going to pout.
I forked your discussion that you were actually posting about.
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