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    • MisterZeeM
      MisterZee
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      If you live long enough all backups will fail.

      In my own personal experience I had a few things on QIC format tape cartridges. I had 5 drives. It turns out that after a decade the chemicals on the capstan of the drive breaks down and the drive bec omes useless. I.e., all QIC drives fail the same way in the same timeframe.

      I had some stuff on 8mm tapes. My drive went bad after many year of little use. Not worth buying a new one.

      My old CD backups are still readable after 8 years. My rule of thumb is that here is a .1% chance of damaging a CD every time it is handled. I don't have experience with the 25GB media. It looks like the CD/DVD format has at least another decade to run. Go for it!

      Ciao,
      //Z\

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        8mm tape was pretty problematic. LTO is where the reliable tape is.

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        • openitO
          openit @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

          8mm tape was pretty problematic. LTO is where the reliable tape is.

          What's your guess on M-Disc ?

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          • openitO
            openit @MisterZee
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            @MisterZee said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

            If you live long enough all backups will fail.

            In my own personal experience I had a few things on QIC format tape cartridges. I had 5 drives. It turns out that after a decade the chemicals on the capstan of the drive breaks down and the drive bec omes useless. I.e., all QIC drives fail the same way in the same timeframe.

            I had some stuff on 8mm tapes. My drive went bad after many year of little use. Not worth buying a new one.

            My old CD backups are still readable after 8 years. My rule of thumb is that here is a .1% chance of damaging a CD every time it is handled. I don't have experience with the 25GB media. It looks like the CD/DVD format has at least another decade to run. Go for it!

            Ciao,
            //Z\

            Seems M-Disc is a better option after burning and testing.

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            • openitO
              openit
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              Comments from others too is appreciated 🙂

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              • HPEStorageGuyH
                HPEStorageGuy
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                How much data are you talking about? Is this data something that will seldom if ever be read again?

                I do a lot of video projects. Once I'm done with those core assets (video, audio, images, etc), I archive them to an LTO-6 tape drive I have using LTFS. What I really like about it is that with LTFS, it's a drag and drop interface. I don't have any experience using M-Disc but I'm biased toward tape. Here's a page on hpe.com that talks more about LTFS. If you have specific questions, happy to answer them.

                Depending on how much data your talking about, you can probably get LTO-5 or LTO-6 at a decent price since the latest generation is LTO-7.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  Isn't M-DISC just a generic BluRay disc maker?

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                  • wirestyle22W
                    wirestyle22
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                    LTO have a lifespan of 30 years or something don't they? Why not go with reliability

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                    • openitO
                      openit @HPEStorageGuy
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                      @HPEStorageGuy said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                      How much data are you talking about? Is this data something that will seldom if ever be read again?

                      I do a lot of video projects. Once I'm done with those core assets (video, audio, images, etc), I archive them to an LTO-6 tape drive I have using LTFS. What I really like about it is that with LTFS, it's a drag and drop interface. I don't have any experience using M-Disc but I'm biased toward tape. Here's a page on hpe.com that talks more about LTFS. If you have specific questions, happy to answer them.

                      Depending on how much data your talking about, you can probably get LTO-5 or LTO-6 at a decent price since the latest generation is LTO-7.

                      I guess, few hundreds of GBs (around 400GB maybe). This amount will be for the first time. And may require to check once in a quarter to know finished and archive it periodically.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @openit
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                        @openit said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                        @HPEStorageGuy said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                        How much data are you talking about? Is this data something that will seldom if ever be read again?

                        I do a lot of video projects. Once I'm done with those core assets (video, audio, images, etc), I archive them to an LTO-6 tape drive I have using LTFS. What I really like about it is that with LTFS, it's a drag and drop interface. I don't have any experience using M-Disc but I'm biased toward tape. Here's a page on hpe.com that talks more about LTFS. If you have specific questions, happy to answer them.

                        Depending on how much data your talking about, you can probably get LTO-5 or LTO-6 at a decent price since the latest generation is LTO-7.

                        I guess, few hundreds of GBs (around 400GB maybe). This amount will be for the first time. And may require to check once in a quarter to know finished and archive it periodically.

                        What is the expected rate of expansion?

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                        • openitO
                          openit @wirestyle22
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                          @wirestyle22 said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                          @openit said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                          @HPEStorageGuy said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                          How much data are you talking about? Is this data something that will seldom if ever be read again?

                          I do a lot of video projects. Once I'm done with those core assets (video, audio, images, etc), I archive them to an LTO-6 tape drive I have using LTFS. What I really like about it is that with LTFS, it's a drag and drop interface. I don't have any experience using M-Disc but I'm biased toward tape. Here's a page on hpe.com that talks more about LTFS. If you have specific questions, happy to answer them.

                          Depending on how much data your talking about, you can probably get LTO-5 or LTO-6 at a decent price since the latest generation is LTO-7.

                          I guess, few hundreds of GBs (around 400GB maybe). This amount will be for the first time. And may require to check once in a quarter to know finished and archive it periodically.

                          What is the expected rate of expansion?

                          Let's say, each project took 12GB, for one quarter around 120GB -> per year around 480GB.

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                          • openitO
                            openit @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Archive (permanent backup) of data to Tape or M-Disc kind of storage ?:

                            Isn't M-DISC just a generic BluRay disc maker?

                            Probably.

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