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    Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share

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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
      last edited by

      I have a Lanier MFP LD 117 that we use to scan to a SMB share on Windows 2012R2.

      To solve an unrelated issue, I recently disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

      https://i.imgur.com/Ik3jcBY.png

      Upon doing that I wasn't able to scan to this server anymore.

      I logged into the printer interface and found that it had no DNS entries - easy fix. Put in the DNS entries and ta da, it worked.

      Fast forward to yesterday - an employee who uses this MFP a lot to scan told me that scanning now takes 20 seconds where before she left it took 2.

      So I tested this. I scanned something using the standard address book entry she uses and it took roughly 20 seconds to complete - on the display it waited on the 'sending...' screen most of that time.

      I logged back into the printer console and added an address list to another server where NetBIOS wasn't disabled and scanned again. This time it was nearly instant, spending less than 2 seconds on the 'sending...' screen.

      I've looked through the network settings on the MFP, but can't find anything with regards to disabling NetBIOS in the MFP.

      https://i.imgur.com/1lT6wPA.png

      https://i.imgur.com/yKYMYDS.png

      I did just find this
      https://i.imgur.com/Tr14N3D.png

      But the results of more scanning is the same.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by DustinB3403

        Does your .19 DNS server have the DNS record for this MFP?

        Is NetBIOS disabled on the share server as well, or just on the printer? That was kind of a dumb question as I see it disabled at the top of the post,

        But I wanted to confirm this was of your share server.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @DustinB3403
          last edited by

          @DustinB3403 said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

          Does your .19 DNS server have the DNS record for this MFP?

          No, though I'm not sure why that would matter? The printer has to know how to find the name of the server, the server doesn't check the IP of the printer against DNS to find a name - I don't have any type of security for that in place.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            Well just for laughs, try and ping the MFP by it's name which is obscured.

            I'm assuming you can ping by IP address without issue.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @DustinB3403 said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

              Well just for laughs, try and ping the MFP by it's name which is obscured.

              I'm assuming you can ping by IP address without issue.

              I use a web browser to configure it. I took the above shots from the web console for the MFP.
              I can ping by IP, but not by hostname. But I don't use the hostname for anything, so that should be fine.

              Again, the OP is about a slowness issue, not a lack of connectivity issue - I do have connectivity, I just have slowness to the order of 10 times slower.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
                last edited by

                I reached out to my VAR - they want $37/15 min for support. Yeah probably not

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  Is the slowness visible during pinging, or just using the scanner?

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    Did you actually do a full power cycle on the copier? I would guess the netbios setting did not fully apply.

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                    • IRJI
                      IRJ
                      last edited by

                      @cnewman we need your programming skills!

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @JaredBusch
                        last edited by Dashrender

                        @JaredBusch said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

                        Did you actually do a full power cycle on the copier? I would guess the netbios setting did not fully apply.

                        After making the NetBIOS change, nope, I'll do that now - good idea.

                        I rebooted it earlier, but not after the NetBIOS change.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          No change after rebooting.

                          This is just another larger picture of the window of options from above, no changes.

                          https://i.imgur.com/c9vhjjf.png

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            Is this across subnets? According to a few links I'm able to find NetBIOS has been hardened which effectively breaks scanning.

                            Link 1
                            Link 2

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              Nope, all on the same subnet.

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                              • J
                                Jason Banned
                                last edited by

                                You are using IP of the SMB share not the hostname? if if using the hostname make sure it's FQDN not the NetBios hostname it tries WINS lookup before doing DNS and appending the search domain like that which will slow down the lookup. I'd just use IP.

                                Here we scan to email with our Ricoh's though.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender
                                  last edited by Dashrender

                                  When I added DNS entries a week ago to fix the name resolution problem, I changed all the \\servername\sharename\folder into \\servername.FQDN\sharename\foldername

                                  WINS is disabled (there are no IPs listed in the printers settings).

                                  Once the user returned and complained about the slowness, I setup a new connection with just \\servername\sharename\folder and \\IP Address\sharename\folder both of which provided the same delays.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    I'm about to hit up one of my other machines and see if it's doing the same thing.

                                    This image shows that all three machines, all are LD117 MFPs, have different versions of firmware throughout the gambit of firmwares these machines have.
                                    https://i.imgur.com/VCpOSsR.png

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                                    • momurdaM
                                      momurda
                                      last edited by

                                      Sounds like it is time for wireshark to see what traffic it is actually sending.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        OK all three machines have the same slow behavior.

                                        Might try wireshark tomorrow.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                          last edited by JaredBusch

                                          @Dashrender said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

                                          OK all three machines have the same slow behavior.

                                          Might try wireshark tomorrow.

                                          Or just try putting it in with the IP first and see if the problem goes away.

                                          \\1.2.3.4\share\path\here

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
                                            last edited by Dashrender

                                            @JaredBusch said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

                                            @Dashrender said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

                                            OK all three machines have the same slow behavior.

                                            Might try wireshark tomorrow.

                                            Or just try putting it in with the IP first and see if the problem goes away.

                                            \\1.2.3.4\share\path\here

                                            @Dashrender said in Lanier LD117 scan uploads are slow when NetBIOS disabled on remote share:

                                            Once the user returned and complained about the slowness, I setup a new connection with just
                                            \\servername\sharename\folder
                                            and
                                            \\IP Address\sharename\folder
                                            both of which provided the same delays.

                                            Edited for clarification.

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