Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?
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You can get it without Skype for Business, but it will cost more
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
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@coliver said:
When I did the math Office came out to be about the same when looking at an Office 365 subscription then when purchasing outright, which is why we are moving new users and updated computers to O365, may be worth looking into for you.
What were you comparing? $12/mth/user for O365 vs buying Pro Plus with SA ($765 first 3 years, $300 every three years after that?)
This math seems to show that as long as you stay on SA, outright purchasing is cheaper.
It is only $12/month/user if you plan on hosting Exchange in house, if you don't and move that to the O365 as well then you are only paying $7/month/user for that Office Subscription (with Outlook).
Either way we weren't doing SA (not my decision) so I was factoring in the cost of new license every 5 years to stay current.
$7 on O365 includes Outlook? hmm... I was unaware. I thought if you wanted Outlook with O365 you had to pay $20/month/user ($12 for Office and the rest toward email and the other O365 services).
Sorry meant to post this earlier. https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-business-premium Only up to 300 users though so you may be in a different tier? It also includes Sharepoint and Skype For Business/Lync (Which may actually detract from the value). It also includes OdFB if you have a use for it. Oh.... it also includes Exchange Online, which is that $4/month/user calculation I was mentioned earlier.
I know they have gone through many revisions on the O365 plans. I don't need more than 300 users (only need 88) so that would work for me.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You can get it without Skype for Business, but it will cost more
LOL I think I'll just skip using a product versus paying more.
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Even just knowing it is there will make you feel dirty.
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With 2012R2, MS is coming very close. And while you do need SCCM to manage a larger Hyper-V deployment, it can still come out cheaper than ESXi. I just did the math. I have 30 sockets of vSphere Enterprise. I license WIndows Datacenter anyway, so that is not a cost. If I was do do it over, it would cost me half in SCCM licenses for the same infrastructure as it does on vSphere licenses.
As far as moving to the cloud, Reliable, fast connectivity and storage ramp up pretty quickly.
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@ashern welcome to the community!
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@AsherN said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
With 2012R2, MS is coming very close. And while you do need SCCM to manage a larger Hyper-V deployment, it can still come out cheaper than ESXi. I just did the math. I have 30 sockets of vSphere Enterprise. I license WIndows Datacenter anyway, so that is not a cost. If I was do do it over, it would cost me half in SCCM licenses for the same infrastructure as it does on vSphere licenses.
As far as moving to the cloud, Reliable, fast connectivity and storage ramp up pretty quickly.
And now Hyper-V 2016 is right around the corner and XenServer 7 are both out. And with the last year's learning about XenOrchestra and how much that can and does do to improve the plight of XenServer in the SMB space it seems that there are a lot of new reasons to be taking a very strong look at Hyper-V, XenServer and, of course, KVM continues to play an important role.
VMware has gotten ESXi 6 out the door since we started the topic, they have not stood still. But it feels like the Hyper-V and XS camps have had the big gains in the last twelve months specifically.
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Can I mention several major updates to Scale's KVM platform as well, in that time period!
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@scottalanmiller said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
With 2012R2, MS is coming very close. And while you do need SCCM to manage a larger Hyper-V deployment, it can still come out cheaper than ESXi. I just did the math. I have 30 sockets of vSphere Enterprise. I license WIndows Datacenter anyway, so that is not a cost. If I was do do it over, it would cost me half in SCCM licenses for the same infrastructure as it does on vSphere licenses.
As far as moving to the cloud, Reliable, fast connectivity and storage ramp up pretty quickly.One thing to note is SCCM licenses alone don't have enterprise support. You'll need an ELA a support agreement. 2016 will bring in per core licensing (Which I'm seeing will be anywhere from 25% to 100% increase in licensing costs). Microsoft is making a big cash grab hoping to push people to Azure is my assumption with this stuff.
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@John-Nicholson said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
With 2012R2, MS is coming very close. And while you do need SCCM to manage a larger Hyper-V deployment, it can still come out cheaper than ESXi. I just did the math. I have 30 sockets of vSphere Enterprise. I license WIndows Datacenter anyway, so that is not a cost. If I was do do it over, it would cost me half in SCCM licenses for the same infrastructure as it does on vSphere licenses.
As far as moving to the cloud, Reliable, fast connectivity and storage ramp up pretty quickly.One thing to note is SCCM licenses alone don't have enterprise support. You'll need an ELA a support agreement. 2016 will bring in per core licensing (Which I'm seeing will be anywhere from 25% to 100% increase in licensing costs). Microsoft is making a big cash grab hoping to push people to Azure is my assumption with this stuff.
With Microsoft, nothing includes support except direct support contracts. It's some weird SMB market myth that Microsoft products include support. They really don't.
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Even when you have support, try calling them on memorial day...
The other thing that makes SCCM Apples/Oranges against vSphere is upgrades.
When a new version comes out you have to buy it (or pay SA and have a EA for the 3-5 years between products). With vSphere free upgrades are tied to your support agreement (I know people with 7 year old vSphere licenses that they have upgraded keys on from 3-6).Most enteprise applications (Oralce etc) do the same thing and tie upgrades to support. Microsoft charges you 20% a year for upgrades but leaves support to the customer/channel.
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@John-Nicholson said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
Most enteprise applications (Oralce etc) do the same thing and tie upgrades to support. Microsoft charges you 20% a year for upgrades but leaves support to the customer/channel.
I've been preaching this for years. No one sells unsupported software that I have even seen except for Microsoft. Microsoft is the best argument for open source ever - you have to pay before you know if things work, then you have to pay again when things don't work.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
@AsherN said in Is the Time for VMware in the SMB Over?:
With 2012R2, MS is coming very close. And while you do need SCCM to manage a larger Hyper-V deployment, it can still come out cheaper than ESXi. I just did the math. I have 30 sockets of vSphere Enterprise. I license WIndows Datacenter anyway, so that is not a cost. If I was do do it over, it would cost me half in SCCM licenses for the same infrastructure as it does on vSphere licenses.
As far as moving to the cloud, Reliable, fast connectivity and storage ramp up pretty quickly.
And now Hyper-V 2016 is right around the corner and XenServer 7 are both out. And with the last year's learning about XenOrchestra and how much that can and does do to improve the plight of XenServer in the SMB space it seems that there are a lot of new reasons to be taking a very strong look at Hyper-V, XenServer and, of course, KVM continues to play an important role.
VMware has gotten ESXi 6 out the door since we started the topic, they have not stood still. But it feels like the Hyper-V and XS camps have had the big gains in the last twelve months specifically.
Small correction: SCCM is a deployment, configuration and maybe a MDM and license / asset management tool. What you mean is probably SCVMM (Virtual Machine Manager)
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@thwr Correct
