Onedrive is shrinking
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I think everyone should have to use LaTeX
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The other largish change I can think of is that they brought File back. And that was brought back in 2010, along with the ribbon for Outlook - so from what I can see the changes won't be that grand.
What about the huge leap to the app handling file management that you've had as a concern with your users?
What do you mean? Office has always allowed you to search around for your files on the filesystem, ever since Office 95, and I'm sure even it's predecessors. Sure they've added things like OneDrive, ODfB and SharePoint, but really, searching around in those places is just another network drive.
No searching around from within the application was never about not finding the same kind of file that your application is meant for, the problem was the user not realizing they used a different app to create said file.
That's true. But it did not used to default to reaching out to cloud services.
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@Dashrender said:
What did you have before 2007, and why do you think your company moved to 2007?
Office 97. See a trend?
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Why why why are they using MS products at all?!?!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The other largish change I can think of is that they brought File back. And that was brought back in 2010, along with the ribbon for Outlook - so from what I can see the changes won't be that grand.
What about the huge leap to the app handling file management that you've had as a concern with your users?
What do you mean? Office has always allowed you to search around for your files on the filesystem, ever since Office 95, and I'm sure even it's predecessors. Sure they've added things like OneDrive, ODfB and SharePoint, but really, searching around in those places is just another network drive.
No searching around from within the application was never about not finding the same kind of file that your application is meant for, the problem was the user not realizing they used a different app to create said file.
That's true. But it did not used to default to reaching out to cloud services.
Cloud services work almost identically to mapped drives from within the apps, the amount of training needed is tiny. Basically it should be just that they need to start saving there - OHHH and don't forget to add tags!
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
What did you have before 2007, and why do you think your company moved to 2007?
Office 97. See a trend?
And why did you upgrade?
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@Dashrender said:
And why did you upgrade?
Uh, don't really remember actually.
I think there was a really good deal on FPP that I took advantage of.
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
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Interesting.
Well, Those days are about over. FPP are really just cards now (as far as I know) and really suck for managing.
You said you are considering going to O365, but will maintain locally installed Office? I ask - do you really need locally installed Office?
Can you migrate everything to SharePoint and use nearly everything online?
For at least 80% of my users I'll be able to go to the online only option. Of course this option will require a fair amount of retraining, but will save us $15/u/month in Office licenses.
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@BRRABill said:
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
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Le's have this discussion in 2017 when support for 2007 runs out.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
It was compatibility.
That's what moved us to the MS world way back when we were using WordPerfect and Harvard Graphics.
When you buy once every 10 years, $300 isn't so hard to swallow.
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@BRRABill said:
Le's have this discussion in 2017 when support for 2007 runs out.
2017 decisions are upon us already! And I'm only slightly kidding. I know for us 2016 rent and travel is already spent. We are already into planning 2017. If you are making a big migration in 2017 that's nearly time to start your migration planning.
I deal with companies doing migrations like this all of the time and big ones definitely are planning this stuff a full year in advance (remember, 2016 is just a couple weeks away.) You'll want to be thinking about the impending 2017 decisions soon.
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@BRRABill said:
When you buy once every 10 years, $300 isn't so hard to swallow.
That's $30/year while not getting a lot of the benefits of the ecosystem. That's not "expensive" but it is still money going out the door. And that's per user, it adds up. It's $300 that doesn't need to be swallowed. It's not how big the pill is, really, it's whether it needs to be swallowed.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
How are you not leveraging?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
When you buy once every 10 years, $300 isn't so hard to swallow.
That's $30/year while not getting a lot of the benefits of the ecosystem. That's not "expensive" but it is still money going out the door. And that's per user, it adds up. It's $300 that doesn't need to be swallowed. It's not how big the pill is, really, it's whether it needs to be swallowed.
This is why I looked heavily at leaving MS Office in 2008, but management decided the expense of Office didn't outweigh the other issues.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
How are you not leveraging?
To some degree, you are, but you are not using "what people see at home" or "MS support ecosystem" or other aspects that you get when you keep up with everyone else. For example, if you go to work and use 2007 today, that's likely far behind what you have been using at home or school for many years. So your begin to get farther and farther away from the top selling point of MS Office - that your users are used to it at home.
As you keep something for this long, support from Microsoft and their partners begins to dwindle. Patches remain for a while but tools, plugins, compatibility and whatnot begin to fade. 2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products. You start spending time figuring out what information applies to systems no one tests or talks about any more.
Things like that.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
When you buy once every 10 years, $300 isn't so hard to swallow.
That's $30/year while not getting a lot of the benefits of the ecosystem. That's not "expensive" but it is still money going out the door. And that's per user, it adds up. It's $300 that doesn't need to be swallowed. It's not how big the pill is, really, it's whether it needs to be swallowed.
This is why I looked heavily at leaving MS Office in 2008, but management decided the expense of Office didn't outweigh the other issues.
There are lots of times that the cost is worthwhile. I'm not against MS Office. I'm just a huge believer in embracing the ecosystem that you choose.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
How are you not leveraging?
To some degree, you are, but you are not using "what people see at home" or "MS support ecosystem" or other aspects that you get when you keep up with everyone else. For example, if you go to work and use 2007 today, that's likely far behind what you have been using at home or school for many years. So your begin to get farther and farther away from the top selling point of MS Office - that your users are used to it at home.
As you keep something for this long, support from Microsoft and their partners begins to dwindle. Patches remain for a while but tools, plugins, compatibility and whatnot begin to fade. 2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products. You start spending time figuring out what information applies to systems no one tests or talks about any more.
Things like that.
Never had any issues here. If these issues WERE to occur, of course we'd look into changing.
And then people would still want Office at home, and we'd have the same issues.
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@scottalanmiller said:
2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products.
Notable examples: Outlook 2016 no longer functions with Exchange 2007 and I was told this morning that Exchange 2016 no longer supports Outlook 2007 either.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
When you buy once every 10 years, $300 isn't so hard to swallow.
That's $30/year while not getting a lot of the benefits of the ecosystem. That's not "expensive" but it is still money going out the door. And that's per user, it adds up. It's $300 that doesn't need to be swallowed. It's not how big the pill is, really, it's whether it needs to be swallowed.
This is why I looked heavily at leaving MS Office in 2008, but management decided the expense of Office didn't outweigh the other issues.
There are lots of times that the cost is worthwhile. I'm not against MS Office. I'm just a huge believer in embracing the ecosystem that you choose.
Apparently so have they been - while they were way less than happy - we've maintained our $25K+ a year SA agreement for Office and Exchange.
Though, as I've mentioned in the past, when the current SA is gettting close to retirement, I'll be looking to move us to O365, saving us over $15K a year just in licensing.
