Virtualization Redemption?
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@hubtechagain said:
back on topic, and bringing this back from the dead. Let's say i was able to go ahead and just snag ESX Essentials, 3 years of upgrades and support for 3 machines with 2 processors each is only $666 (bad omen?). If i went with essentials, what could i use to do a snap of the original VMs, and then just incremental to my DR server from then on out? does veeam free allow this?
Essentials has the backup API so Veeam should work fine for it.
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@coliver said:
@hubtechagain said:
back on topic, and bringing this back from the dead. Let's say i was able to go ahead and just snag ESX Essentials, 3 years of upgrades and support for 3 machines with 2 processors each is only $666 (bad omen?). If i went with essentials, what could i use to do a snap of the original VMs, and then just incremental to my DR server from then on out? does veeam free allow this?
Essentials has the backup API so Veeam should work fine for it.
But can you capture incrementals with Veeam Free?
Unitrends might be better assuming you are under 1.5 TB.
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He's got a 2.18TB RAID 10.
No point in gimping him self now.
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but what i'm saying is does the free veeam offer incremental backups, can i schedule them? or will i have to regularly interact with it to keep things current?
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@hubtechagain said:
but what i'm saying is does the free veeam offer incremental backups, can i schedule them? or will i have to regularly interact with it to keep things current?
I don't think you can schedule them. I'm pretty sure Veeam free is on-the-fly.
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are there any free/not super expensive options?
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@hubtechagain said:
are there any free/not super expensive options?
It doesn't look like it is built into the functionality of Veeam Free's GUI. But it looks like Powershell can help you.
http://www.veeam.com/blog/veeam-backup-free-edition-now-with-powershell.html
It should be noted that Veeam Free can't do incremental backups (at least not that I've seen) so every time you ran this it would be a full backup.
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Not aware of any free incremental options for that scale on any platform, least of all ESXi.
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@hubtechagain said:
are there any free/not super expensive options?
Veeam Essentials is pretty inexpensive $800 or so I think for 3 hosts.
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If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.
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@Dashrender said:
@hubtechagain said:
are there any free/not super expensive options?
Veeam Essentials is pretty inexpensive $800 or so I think for 3 hosts.
Similar in cost to ESXi Essentials. Presumably well within the reasonable cost threshold if they are happy to pay for ESXi.
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If you move to HyperV you can eliminate all of that cost from VMWare and put that money into the backup solution where the money is needed. All of that money going to VMware seems like just throwing away the resources needed for the actual solution.
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Unitrends will do incrementals on XenServer too, but a completely different pricing structure than on HyperV or ESXi. So no idea if it is more or less for the scenario in question.
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@coliver said:
If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.
Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).
That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.
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There are other options too, StorageCraft, for example, will probably do what is wanted here.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.
Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).
That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.
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@scottalanmiller said:
If you move to HyperV you can eliminate all of that cost from VMWare and put that money into the backup solution where the money is needed. All of that money going to VMware seems like just throwing away the resources needed for the actual solution.
Not entirely. The client will have to pay for the conversion time that Hub spends converting from ESXi to Hyper-V - probably 2-5 times what the cost of ESXi Essentials is.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.
Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).
That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.
Are you quoting me for effect? lol
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.
Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).
That said I overheard Katey tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.
Hmm, I could have sworn that they offered the 3TB backup thing in the $1000 range. That doesn't seem very expensive to me if you are considering VMWare and this is critical infrastructure.
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@Dashrender said:
Not entirely. The client will have to pay for the conversion time that Hub spends converting from ESXi to Hyper-V - probably 2-5 times what the cost of ESXi Essentials is.
What's the conversion time? How many are there? ESXi Essentials is not a one time cost but a long term commitment to recurring costs. Yes the biggest one is up front, but you have to just keep paying both as you maintain your license and even more as you want more hosts, CPUs, memory, features, etc.
