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"Made a bad decision" = wanted me to put ESXi on this useless box and changed his mind
"Making a bad decision" = wantING me to STILL put it on nowIt's not something that he's done that is in question, it's the decisions being made right this second and that keep being made.
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
What crazy IT manager is making these decisions? Who trusts you to run the environment but not to protect them from obvious blunders?
He's a good person that made a poor choice which is more than I can say for any of the other people I've worked for. I'd take a kind person with not a lot of knowledge over a terrible person with not a lot of knowledge any day of the week. There is so much I don't know, how I can turn around and judge these people? I think cultivating learning is the right direction to go in instead of judgment. Maybe I can have a positive impact on the employees here before I find new employment.
How is it "made" a poor choice? It's "continues to make poor choices when confronted with his ineptitude." What makes him a good person if he continues to make a bad decision even after knowing it is bad?
Your job doesn't define who you are as a person for one, but he clearly doesn't know that these decisions are bad.
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What guests are you planning on running?
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
Yes, you do.
So you'd hire me with my current level of knowledge? Let me guess, shoe shiner?
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
What crazy IT manager is making these decisions? Who trusts you to run the environment but not to protect them from obvious blunders?
He's a good person that made a poor choice which is more than I can say for any of the other people I've worked for. I'd take a kind person with not a lot of knowledge over a terrible person with not a lot of knowledge any day of the week. There is so much I don't know, how I can turn around and judge these people? I think cultivating learning is the right direction to go in instead of judgment. Maybe I can have a positive impact on the employees here before I find new employment.
How is it "made" a poor choice? It's "continues to make poor choices when confronted with his ineptitude." What makes him a good person if he continues to make a bad decision even after knowing it is bad?
Your job doesn't define who you are as a person for one, but he clearly doesn't know that these decisions are bad.
Who said that it did? I'm talking about hubris, not a job. And you are saying that you are knowing doing insane work and keeping critical failures from him?
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What guests are you planning on running?
I have a feeling they've not considered there to be a purpose to this.
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
What crazy IT manager is making these decisions? Who trusts you to run the environment but not to protect them from obvious blunders?
He's a good person that made a poor choice which is more than I can say for any of the other people I've worked for. I'd take a kind person with not a lot of knowledge over a terrible person with not a lot of knowledge any day of the week. There is so much I don't know, how I can turn around and judge these people? I think cultivating learning is the right direction to go in instead of judgment. Maybe I can have a positive impact on the employees here before I find new employment.
How is it "made" a poor choice? It's "continues to make poor choices when confronted with his ineptitude." What makes him a good person if he continues to make a bad decision even after knowing it is bad?
Your job doesn't define who you are as a person for one, but he clearly doesn't know that these decisions are bad.
Who said that it did? I'm talking about hubris, not a job. And you are saying that you are knowing doing insane work and keeping critical failures from him?
You know me better than that. He does attempt to fix the issues he causes, but that doesn't stop him from making new bad decisions.
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
What crazy IT manager is making these decisions? Who trusts you to run the environment but not to protect them from obvious blunders?
He's a good person that made a poor choice which is more than I can say for any of the other people I've worked for. I'd take a kind person with not a lot of knowledge over a terrible person with not a lot of knowledge any day of the week. There is so much I don't know, how I can turn around and judge these people? I think cultivating learning is the right direction to go in instead of judgment. Maybe I can have a positive impact on the employees here before I find new employment.
How is it "made" a poor choice? It's "continues to make poor choices when confronted with his ineptitude." What makes him a good person if he continues to make a bad decision even after knowing it is bad?
Your job doesn't define who you are as a person for one, but he clearly doesn't know that these decisions are bad.
Who said that it did? I'm talking about hubris, not a job. And you are saying that you are knowing doing insane work and keeping critical failures from him?
You know me better than that. He does attempt to fix the issues he causes, but that doesn't stop him from making new bad decisions.
You switched back again. We are NOT talking about him having MADE a bad decision, that just is a mistake. It is NOW that you've informed him that this is an epic mistake, a mistake that is very serious and so wrong that the discussion should not even have to happen.... and he NOW CONTINUOUSLY makes the make of not course correcting.
Do you understand? It's not him not knowing what he was doing in the past. It's knowing now and not caring. How do you call him a good person if you KNOW that he KNOWS what he's doing is bad and he does it anyway? Is he a "nice guy" screwing the city?
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
What crazy IT manager is making these decisions? Who trusts you to run the environment but not to protect them from obvious blunders?
He's a good person that made a poor choice which is more than I can say for any of the other people I've worked for. I'd take a kind person with not a lot of knowledge over a terrible person with not a lot of knowledge any day of the week. There is so much I don't know, how I can turn around and judge these people? I think cultivating learning is the right direction to go in instead of judgment. Maybe I can have a positive impact on the employees here before I find new employment.
How is it "made" a poor choice? It's "continues to make poor choices when confronted with his ineptitude." What makes him a good person if he continues to make a bad decision even after knowing it is bad?
Your job doesn't define who you are as a person for one, but he clearly doesn't know that these decisions are bad.
Who said that it did? I'm talking about hubris, not a job. And you are saying that you are knowing doing insane work and keeping critical failures from him?
You know me better than that. He does attempt to fix the issues he causes, but that doesn't stop him from making new bad decisions.
You switched back again. We are NOT talking about him having MADE a bad decision, that just is a mistake. It is NOW that you've informed him that this is an epic mistake, a mistake that is very serious and so wrong that the discussion should not even have to happen.... and he NOW CONTINUOUSLY makes the make of not course correcting.
Do you understand? It's not him not knowing what he was doing in the past. It's knowing now and not caring. How do you call him a good person if you KNOW that he KNOWS what he's doing is bad and he does it anyway? Is he a "nice guy" screwing the city?
Example: He used AVG PC Tuneup on the domain controllers and then uninstalled it once we "resolved" the problem, which I'm not even sure it is resolved yet. We will see. explorer crashed yesterday and reported the same errors as before. He's not continuously making the same mistakes, he's just making a lot of mistakes. It's different.
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He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
I'm not installing ESX anymore. I told him yesterday I am going in a different direction which I think is a much better plan and he said okay. I'm not talking about one specific scenario, I'm talking about everything across the board. I can't handhold my boss.
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I was asked to install ESXi on a server today. I get in and it's a Dell Poweredge 2800. Now I have to find a link to download version 3.5 and see if it even supports vm replication
You went the wrong way again.
Your response to seeing the hardware should be no.
I do not have the luxury of doing that as I've said
What crazy IT manager is making these decisions? Who trusts you to run the environment but not to protect them from obvious blunders?
He's a good person that made a poor choice which is more than I can say for any of the other people I've worked for. I'd take a kind person with not a lot of knowledge over a terrible person with not a lot of knowledge any day of the week. There is so much I don't know, how I can turn around and judge these people? I think cultivating learning is the right direction to go in instead of judgment. Maybe I can have a positive impact on the employees here before I find new employment.
How is it "made" a poor choice? It's "continues to make poor choices when confronted with his ineptitude." What makes him a good person if he continues to make a bad decision even after knowing it is bad?
Your job doesn't define who you are as a person for one, but he clearly doesn't know that these decisions are bad.
Who said that it did? I'm talking about hubris, not a job. And you are saying that you are knowing doing insane work and keeping critical failures from him?
You know me better than that. He does attempt to fix the issues he causes, but that doesn't stop him from making new bad decisions.
You switched back again. We are NOT talking about him having MADE a bad decision, that just is a mistake. It is NOW that you've informed him that this is an epic mistake, a mistake that is very serious and so wrong that the discussion should not even have to happen.... and he NOW CONTINUOUSLY makes the make of not course correcting.
Do you understand? It's not him not knowing what he was doing in the past. It's knowing now and not caring. How do you call him a good person if you KNOW that he KNOWS what he's doing is bad and he does it anyway? Is he a "nice guy" screwing the city?
Example: He used AVG PC Tuneup on the domain controllers and then uninstalled it once we "resolved" the problem, which I'm not even sure it is resolved yet. We will see. explorer crashed yesterday and reported the same errors as before. He's not continuously making the same mistakes, he's just making a lot of mistakes. It's different.
Except in this case... he keeps making the mistake. So your example doesn't hold up.
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He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
I'm not installing ESX anymore. I told him yesterday I am going in a different direction which I think is a much better plan and he said okay. I'm not talking about one specific scenario, I'm talking about everything across the board. I can't handhold my boss.
Why can't you? Isn't that the reason you are there? To protect him from himself? He's your one L1, I assume?
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He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
I'm not installing ESX anymore. I told him yesterday I am going in a different direction which I think is a much better plan and he said okay. I'm not talking about one specific scenario, I'm talking about everything across the board. I can't handhold my boss.
Why can't you? Isn't that the reason you are there? To protect him from himself? He's your one L1, I assume?
No, it's my boss. the "Server admin"
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He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
I'm not installing ESX anymore. I told him yesterday I am going in a different direction which I think is a much better plan and he said okay. I'm not talking about one specific scenario, I'm talking about everything across the board. I can't handhold my boss.
Why can't you? Isn't that the reason you are there? To protect him from himself? He's your one L1, I assume?
No, it's my boss. the "Server admin"
But he's an L1, right?
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He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
I'm not installing ESX anymore. I told him yesterday I am going in a different direction which I think is a much better plan and he said okay. I'm not talking about one specific scenario, I'm talking about everything across the board. I can't handhold my boss.
Why can't you? Isn't that the reason you are there? To protect him from himself? He's your one L1, I assume?
No, it's my boss. the "Server admin"
But he's an L1, right?
I don't know
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Isn't your main job to handle escalations from him for things that he can't handle.
It's good that he listened and changed direction. But that was what you had been saying couldn't be done. So Jared was correct that you did have the power to influence bad decisions
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He does attempt to fix the issues he causes....
If this statement is true, then you are NOT required to install ESX on that old box. Which is it?
I'm not installing ESX anymore. I told him yesterday I am going in a different direction which I think is a much better plan and he said okay. I'm not talking about one specific scenario, I'm talking about everything across the board. I can't handhold my boss.
Why can't you? Isn't that the reason you are there? To protect him from himself? He's your one L1, I assume?
No, it's my boss. the "Server admin"
But he's an L1, right?
I don't know
Well, he's below your L2 level
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The kinds of mistakes he's making SOUND like L0 mistakes. Those are definitely the very reasons we keep L0s away from access to things because they are never sure when they should touch things or not.
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My additional concern is, is he learning from his own mistakes behaviorally? There must have been a train of thought there that he assumed was correct. Hopefully this scenario showed him flaws in his train of thought so that he could correct them for future improvement.
